On Dec 26, 10:39 pm, "Mr. L. Alexander" <[email protected]> wrote: > echoed. this subject is becoming tedious and my mail server is making jokes > of it's own. Tea... Coffee... Biscuits... chocolate? there's a tea tray > wondering around the forum so grab it before it has a hissing fit and self > cleans, enjoying the contents on it's merry way. > > lew > > On 26 Dec 2011, at 20:35, M. Taylor wrote: > > > > > > > Amen, Ricardo, Amen. > > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker > > Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 5:36 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: My thoughts regarding the latest "VoiceOver On" podcast > > > Hi guys, > > > I'm thinking a subject change might be in order here? lol > > > Ricardo Walker > > [email protected] > > Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 > >www.mobileaccess.org > > > On Dec 26, 2011, at 6:32 AM, Massimo Vettoretti wrote: > > >> In data Domenica 25 Dicembre 2011 21.02.32, Anne Robertson > > <[email protected]> ha scritto: > >>> First of all, I wouldn't use Pages to simply read through a document. > > TextEdit works much better for this. > >> Pages is a word processing application. It means, at least to me, it is > > something I must be able to use to write a document, but also to read it. > > Why in 2011-2012 should I use 2 different applications to accomplish 2 very > > related task (writing and reading)? It is a non-sense, at least for me. > >>> As for knowing whether a note is present, if you interact with a page, VO > > says "3 items" normally, for header, body and footer, but if there's a text > > box present, it says "4 items". > >> Too complicated. What is needed is a way to know if in a given paragraph a > > note reference is present and, if it is, I have to be able to read its > > content without leaving the text area. In Microsoft Word, using JAWS, if I > > am reading a text paragraph by paragraph, the screen reader says "X > > reference present"; the same if I am reading line by line. If I want, I can > > have the notes read out or I can skip them if I do not care about them. The > > same for heading. I do not want to go around the screen to discover relevant > > informations, I want the screen reader to report them to me, when and if I > > need. We are not talking about Plato's dialogs, about philosophy, we are > > talking about software and features. I do really welcome differences in ways > > a task can be accomplished, but efficence should be the most important > > criteria to be considered. > > >>> As I said before, simply reading through a document is better done using > > TextEdit. > >> And as I said before, Pages must be a confortable work environment for > > writing and editing, and for reading. My mother, wich is sighted, doesn't > > switch between Pages and text edit: she just open the document she wants, > > and she uses it. The same result is possible for me when I work under > > Windows. The same must be possible for all of us when working under MacOSX. > >>> Also, what do you call a productive environment? I work as a professional > > translator and Pages works fine for me. > >> I am working with a collegue and friend on a very long and complex book > > about science history. He works under Windows, I would like to work under > > MacOSX. The book will contain many many notes, some pics, a number of cross > > references and tables. I need to read his work to check out if the notes are > > in the correct place and to be sure the formatting is consistent. Of > > course, i need to add my parts to his work. I need to be sure the titles and > > subtitles have the correct hierarchical level and are properly formatted. I > > need to be sure the lists are properly marked and formatted. And I want the > > screen reader to give me those information while scanning the text, I do not > > want to be forced to scan the text to glean what I need going around the > > Pages' interface. Those features are very possible to implement and, if they > > are, they will not change your way to accomplish your work, but tey'll make > > mine easier. I sent many many request to Apple Accessibility and reported > > bugs over and over. But nothing has changed. Voice Over Braille support > > remains absolutely insufficient, advanced word processing is poorly > > supported, minimaly advanced spreadsheet manipulation is problematicaly > > complicated and the new fantastic and long awaited international voices are > > in need of a intense and deep psychoanalytic support, 'cause they are having > > some gender difficulties. Let's wait and hope, because, as we say in Italy, > > hope is the last to die! :) > > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "MacVisionaries" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "MacVisionaries" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "MacVisionaries" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > Mr. L. Alexander. > Free Macs For The Blind. > E-Mail: [email protected] > Direct line: 07936 877500 > Twitter: @macsfortheblind > > Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working > apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR FREE! > > Do you have an old unwanted mac, any hardware, software, old PC's, etc or a > copy of outspoken 9.2 you would be willing to donate? please get in touch. > > Mac Access Dot Net; The British Mac Accessibility Network, we're here to help > anybody disabled with anything Apple!http://www.mac-access.net- Hide quoted > text - > > - Show quoted text -Hi all, Vic and 1 or 2 others touched on this in this > topic and the guys from the voiceoveron podcast always encourage it so I just > want to ask, How many of you actually complain and submit bugs to > [email protected] ???? Those guys actually listen even if it doesn't > always look like they're ignoring the mails and just remember they can't fix > a problem if they're not aware of the problem, they don't use voiceover each > and every day like all people on this list. Anyway just my opinion it would be interesting to know how many people actually give apple feedback reguarding bugs.
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