What was the point of this? Kawal.
Sent from my iPhone On 26 Dec 2011, at 11:17 PM, Nickus de Vos <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Dec 26, 10:39 pm, "Mr. L. Alexander" <[email protected]> > wrote: >> echoed. this subject is becoming tedious and my mail server is making jokes >> of it's own. Tea... Coffee... Biscuits... chocolate? there's a tea tray >> wondering around the forum so grab it before it has a hissing fit and self >> cleans, enjoying the contents on it's merry way. >> >> lew >> >> On 26 Dec 2011, at 20:35, M. Taylor wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Amen, Ricardo, Amen. >> >>> Mark >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker >>> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 5:36 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: My thoughts regarding the latest "VoiceOver On" podcast >> >>> Hi guys, >> >>> I'm thinking a subject change might be in order here? lol >> >>> Ricardo Walker >>> [email protected] >>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 >>> www.mobileaccess.org >> >>> On Dec 26, 2011, at 6:32 AM, Massimo Vettoretti wrote: >> >>>> In data Domenica 25 Dicembre 2011 21.02.32, Anne Robertson >>> <[email protected]> ha scritto: >>>>> First of all, I wouldn't use Pages to simply read through a document. >>> TextEdit works much better for this. >>>> Pages is a word processing application. It means, at least to me, it is >>> something I must be able to use to write a document, but also to read it. >>> Why in 2011-2012 should I use 2 different applications to accomplish 2 very >>> related task (writing and reading)? It is a non-sense, at least for me. >>>>> As for knowing whether a note is present, if you interact with a page, VO >>> says "3 items" normally, for header, body and footer, but if there's a text >>> box present, it says "4 items". >>>> Too complicated. What is needed is a way to know if in a given paragraph a >>> note reference is present and, if it is, I have to be able to read its >>> content without leaving the text area. In Microsoft Word, using JAWS, if I >>> am reading a text paragraph by paragraph, the screen reader says "X >>> reference present"; the same if I am reading line by line. If I want, I can >>> have the notes read out or I can skip them if I do not care about them. The >>> same for heading. I do not want to go around the screen to discover relevant >>> informations, I want the screen reader to report them to me, when and if I >>> need. We are not talking about Plato's dialogs, about philosophy, we are >>> talking about software and features. I do really welcome differences in ways >>> a task can be accomplished, but efficence should be the most important >>> criteria to be considered. >> >>>>> As I said before, simply reading through a document is better done using >>> TextEdit. >>>> And as I said before, Pages must be a confortable work environment for >>> writing and editing, and for reading. My mother, wich is sighted, doesn't >>> switch between Pages and text edit: she just open the document she wants, >>> and she uses it. The same result is possible for me when I work under >>> Windows. The same must be possible for all of us when working under MacOSX. >>>>> Also, what do you call a productive environment? I work as a professional >>> translator and Pages works fine for me. >>>> I am working with a collegue and friend on a very long and complex book >>> about science history. He works under Windows, I would like to work under >>> MacOSX. The book will contain many many notes, some pics, a number of cross >>> references and tables. I need to read his work to check out if the notes are >>> in the correct place and to be sure the formatting is consistent. Of >>> course, i need to add my parts to his work. I need to be sure the titles and >>> subtitles have the correct hierarchical level and are properly formatted. I >>> need to be sure the lists are properly marked and formatted. And I want the >>> screen reader to give me those information while scanning the text, I do not >>> want to be forced to scan the text to glean what I need going around the >>> Pages' interface. Those features are very possible to implement and, if they >>> are, they will not change your way to accomplish your work, but tey'll make >>> mine easier. I sent many many request to Apple Accessibility and reported >>> bugs over and over. But nothing has changed. Voice Over Braille support >>> remains absolutely insufficient, advanced word processing is poorly >>> supported, minimaly advanced spreadsheet manipulation is problematicaly >>> complicated and the new fantastic and long awaited international voices are >>> in need of a intense and deep psychoanalytic support, 'cause they are having >>> some gender difficulties. Let's wait and hope, because, as we say in Italy, >>> hope is the last to die! :) >> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group >>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> Mr. L. Alexander. >> Free Macs For The Blind. >> E-Mail: [email protected] >> Direct line: 07936 877500 >> Twitter: @macsfortheblind >> >> Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working >> apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR FREE! >> >> Do you have an old unwanted mac, any hardware, software, old PC's, etc or a >> copy of outspoken 9.2 you would be willing to donate? please get in touch. >> >> Mac Access Dot Net; The British Mac Accessibility Network, we're here to >> help anybody disabled with anything Apple!http://www.mac-access.net- Hide >> quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text -Hi all, Vic and 1 or 2 others touched on this in this >> topic and the guys from the voiceoveron podcast always encourage it so I >> just want to ask, How many of you actually complain and submit bugs to >> [email protected] ???? Those guys actually listen even if it doesn't >> always look like they're ignoring the mails and just remember they can't fix >> a problem if they're not aware of the problem, they don't use voiceover each >> and every day like all people on this list. > Anyway just my opinion it would be interesting to know how many people > actually give apple feedback reguarding bugs. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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