Hi folks,
responding to a couple of comments here.
First the nfb and acb do not talk much to each other, they are hardly going
to unite on this, especially with some in their camp benefiting in a way
from the issues, they can still sell their own products at high process
for reading materials.
I do have two questions though.
First, thanks to the party below who provided the link to that archived
post.
ahem, this company, or any company actually thinks someone is going to
record an entire book using a screen reader...and do what with it?
after all text to speech as some e-book creators have noted on this list is
no flawless means of pronunciation's sometimes, especially as some
companies create the book.
Still what I find a bit surprising is why people feel this is a
*blindness* only issue. many people make use of voiceover who are not
experiencing vision loss, with the significant percentage of the us
population alone facing literacy and reading issues, speech provides a
way to learn often faster than they might if they could read conventionally
with ease. I have seen numbers as high as 30% of the us population with
learning disabilities, greater with literacy.
So, add those experiencing vision loss, and the numbers are rather high.
Too high for such ignorance about how screen readers work or should work.
the more common ground approach to addressing the issue, the easier it
becomes to get it fixed.
last two part question is, first where is this copyright law, and second,
is someone actually meaning the writers guild of America?
Wait, one more I will ask in a different email.
Thanks,
Karen
On Sun, 25 Mar 2012, Sean Murphy wrote:
Hi all.
What is the NFB, ACB, and other organisations who support print disable people
doing about this?
They have the funds and expertise to challenge it in a class action. I
In relation to the number of people who have been restricted from reading
Ebooks via this method is larger then America. This effects any country that
you can buy Amazon books. The DMR also effects purchasing of Audio books from
other english speaking country. So the Authors Gill is forcing American law on
to other countries which is a bigger problem.
The problem has to be fixed within USA. So guys I would suggest you all start
talking to your federal members of government, NFB, etc. Get everyone involved
who is USA and feels the same. Make this a real big problem. Being quite about
it or complaining on this or other list isn't enough.
Get out there and do something proactive. I would, but I am not an American
citizen. So I cannot even leave base one.
Sean
On 25/03/2012, at 4:26 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
Say Steve, your reply appears to be way at the bottom of the message. Unless i
am mistaken, it seems to be common practice to set one's e-mail client to set
the reply at the top of the message. Less scroling down.
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On Mar 24, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 07:03:30PM -0700, Jamie Tachiyama wrote:
They get around it by making the Kindle for PC app accessible.
On 3/22/12, Hank Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
so because of stupid drm copy write crap the blind can't read the ebooks?
On 3/22/2012 6:30 PM, Esther wrote:
Hi Jeff,
There are a number of ebook apps that specifically disable VoiceOver's
ability to access the content in order to preserve digital rights
management. This is also true if you try to use the Barnes & Noble
Nook app, for example. You'll notice that usually you can access
everything except for the actual content of the text. That's being
blocked. You can verify this by taking a screen capture, and sending
the results to an OCR app like Prizmo or TextGrabber. The OCR app
will tell you what the contents are, but obviously you're not going to
read the book by screen capturing every page and sending it to an OCR app.
If you want to read another example of this viewpoint, that the
ability of screen readers to access text would promote copyright
violation, take a look at Greg Kearney's posted response from
Fictionwise in the archives, sent in reply to his inquiry about ebook
accessibility for their ebook reading app just a few months after the
iPhone 3GS was released with VoiceOver support:
• Fwd: Response for Support Ticket #102495
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg06200.html
Since this is the Mail Archive post, if you're reading on your
computer, you can also use access key shortcuts of Control-N to read
down the thread for other reader comments.
Best,
Esther
On Mar 22, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
Forget it. It ain't gonna happen.
It ain't accessible at all.
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On Mar 22, 2012, at 7:38 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:
Hi All,
I downloaded the Kindle app so I can read some of the books that my
wife is reading. I can't, however, figure out how to get it to
work. Has anybody had success with the Kindle app? Is it
accessible? Any tips?
It looks like, to me, that it is displaying images instead of
rendering the text.
Thx,
Jeff
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Yeah, but that's only valid for windows users. What about those who
use a mac or linux? That's the typical line; use windows and shut up,
or do without.
Also another point that was never made on this thread is disabling
book access through VoiceOver and other a11y technologies is denying
access to Braille readers! To use Braille devices on IOS devices, you
need to use VoiceOver.
Eric, right on about the publishers, theyare in the same greedy pocket
along with RIAA and MPAA! Another thing one can do with screen reader
solutions instead of audio recorded books is direct scanning; I mean
the ability to verify spellings or formula contents and such. A
sighted person can look at thee screen or printed page and see things
character by character as needed. we can do the same with VO or by
reading with a Braille display. Can't do that with a recording.
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