Hi John. I think Apple did a really good thing for us in the last Key Note. They were saying to everybody that accessibility was a good thing they were happy about, and at a developer's conference at that. I think that more developers will get the point that accessibility is big time important.
Eugenia Firth [email protected] On Jun 25, 2012, at 12:28 PM, John Panarese wrote: > I don't know quite what you are talking about with Dropbox. It is surely > accessible on the Mac and can be configured as well. The trick is, during > setup, not to place the dropbox app file in your application folder and to > run it where you downloaded it. For whatever the reason, that will enable > the setup to work as expected. > > As for your axe to grind about iWorks, there are other alternatives. > Before you make bold proclamations about Apple's shortcomings, look around > and try the variety of other word processor applications. There is also > Tables for spreadsheets. In addition, no one knows what the next update to > iWorks will bring, which I'd guess, is not too far off. > > As for a paid screen reader for the Mac, why would anyone want to > re-invent the wheel? Why spend a lot of needless money on a product Apple > has developed and supporting? I think the issue here is, as others have > said, communicating with developers and having to educate them. Many of them > are happy to respond and one can easily get productive discussions going with > them to fix or include accessibility. I just had one with the makers of Disk > Drill, for example. > > > Take Care > > John Panarese > [email protected] > > > > On Jun 25, 2012, at 11:03 AM, William Windels <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hello Scott, >> about dropbox, it works fine when you have pasted the setup but, to make it >> up and running or reconfigure your account, it can be hard to do it on your >> self. >> I know, you can go into the package contents to chose another .app file but >> this gives not always a solution. >> as I have written slow me original mail: it's mostly the office packet >> iWork's that isn't fully accessible and so, main tasks on the mac for a >> administrative job, I can't do it on a comfortable way. >> kind regards, >> William Windels >> Op 25-jun.-2012, om 16:13 heeft Scott Rumery het volgende geschreven: >> >>> Hello, >>> I have not been on the Mac as long as you have, but after using a >>> Window computer for 20 years or more, I am extremely happy with my Mac. >>> You are correct when you say the Mac screen reader is more stable than the >>> Windows screen readers. I agree that this more than likely due to the fact >>> that Voice Over is part of the Mac OS which helps it to run more >>> dependently. I however do not agree with your statement that on Windows >>> more basic programs are accessible. First of all, what do you mean by >>> basic programs? You mentioned Drop Box. It is true that using Drop Box on >>> the Mac requires a certain level of expertise, but once you understand how >>> you need to use it on the Mac, it works just fine. I think you must be >>> referring to the fact that when you install Drop Box and you launch it all >>> Voice Over will say is "Drop Box has no windows". This frustrated me to no >>> end until I realize that on the Mac you can just go to your home folder and >>> arrow down to Drop Box and then access it like any other folder on your >>> Mac. I put an alias icon right on my desktop and now all that I have to do >>> is to open that, and then I can work in my Drop Box. >>> My point with all of this is to illustrate that even though at first >>> Drop Box may seem inaccessible on the Mac, it really isn't >>> >>> As for your question about a paid screen reader ever being made >>> available on the Mac. I seriously doubt that this will ever happen, and I >>> probably wouldn't use it anyway. I would not for one, want to go and pay >>> several hundreds of dollars for something that in my opinion would give me >>> a sub par experience on the Mac, especially when the beauty of owning a Mac >>> is that once I purchase my Mac, all I have to do after turning it on to >>> have accessibility is to hit command plus F5. >>> >>> Just my opinion. >>> >>> Scott >>> On Jun 25, 2012, at 8:08 AM, William Windels wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> After working for more than 3 years with the mac , it's my personal >>>> opinionthat more basic programs are accessible on windows then on the mac >>>> platform. >>>> >>>> I find it more stable to work on the mac because of the integration of the >>>> screenreader voiceover with the osx. >>>> The fact that the hardware is also adapted for us by the trackpad and the >>>> function-keys with the spoken values. >>>> And of course the flexible way we can install , manage the system with >>>> voiceover support everywhere. >>>> >>>> However, we can't e.g. configure dropbox with voiceover while this is >>>> possible on windows, office programs like microsoft office and also >>>> iWork's aren't fully accessible with lay-out tasks, in my opinion there >>>> are several usability issues with the browsers on the mac, some ellements >>>> of the os , like >>>> Tables, on websites and on numbers and pages, are very difficult to >>>> navigate e.g. you can't search for edit-fields on websites while they are >>>> in a table and in pages, you can't work with tables on a comfortable way. >>>> the icon's on the status bar, can't be reached on a normal way with >>>> voiceover... >>>> >>>> My conclusion: a paid screenreader for the mac that makes program's >>>> accessible with scripts (like screen readers on windows do), should be >>>> very welcome I think. >>>> With this kind of optional screenreader, blind users should be able to use >>>> all the equivalents on the mac of their windows favorites. Perhaps it >>>> should push apple to make their screenreader better on a faster speed. >>>> >>>> Why such screenreader doesn't exist yet? >>>> I see 2 reasons for this: >>>> 1. Apple should not be happy with this and the screenreader of apple >>>> should have more possibilities to integrate with the os then the external >>>> screenreader. >>>> 2. Other communities don't see a reason to make a screenreader for the mac >>>> while there is one built in. >>>> If it should be the second reason, any people with accessibility >>>> frustrations on the mac , should communicate this to other companies like >>>> gw micro, freedom scientific, baum... >>>> >>>> Any opinions about this meanings should be very welcome. >>>> kind regards, >>>> William Windels >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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