Hi, I think this was the original posters point. Work arounds are just that, work arounds. :). Of course, as a blind person, I sometimes feel my life is a work around. lol. So, We grow accustom to figuring out tips and tricks to get blood from a stone so to speak. But there is always a trade of here. Usually, its time, and efficiency. Honestly, I don't think a 3rd party screen reader on the Mac would change this fact. We just have to keep at it with these developers as well as Making sure we send our suggestions, and bug findings to Apple so they can make the best computing environment they reasonably can.
JMO Ricardo Walker [email protected] Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Jun 25, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Daniela Rubio <[email protected]> wrote: > VoiceOver has grown very fast in the last 3 years. Wait until Next OS is > released, there are going to be nice surprises on accessibility. I have being > working with tables in pages lastly and there is always a work around things. > Why don't somebody, instead of creating a separated screen reader, makes > Apple scripts to solve some issues? I think that VoiceOver y very powerful in > combination with Applescript. > > SALUDOS, DANIELA R.T. > MACNETICOS, APPLE Y ACCESIBILIDAD A TU ALCANCE. > EN TWITTER: @macneticos > NUESTRO BLOG EN: > www.macneticus.blogspot.com > Y EL PODCAST EN:` > http://macneticos.libsyn.com > > > > El 25/06/2012, a las 20:26, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribió: > >> Whole heartedly! agree. >> >> Chris. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ray Foret Jr >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:42 AM >> Subject: Re: is a paid screenreader for the mac a option? >> >> Couldn't be more wrong. Why you want to make the Mac more like clunky >> crashy windows? It's not up to the screen reader to make things more >> accessible with more and more scripts which you have to keep up with; >> rather, that's up to the app developers. That's how it is in the Mac world. >> FS make a Mac screen reader? Are you seriously kidding me? No way it >> ain't gonna happen. >> >> GWMicro neither. They already have enough on their plate worying about >> windows type stuff. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >> >> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! >> >> Skype name: >> barefootedray >> >> On Jun 25, 2012, at 7:08 AM, William Windels wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> After working for more than 3 years with the mac , it's my personal >>> opinionthat more basic programs are accessible on windows then on the mac >>> platform. >>> >>> I find it more stable to work on the mac because of the integration of the >>> screenreader voiceover with the osx. >>> The fact that the hardware is also adapted for us by the trackpad and the >>> function-keys with the spoken values. >>> And of course the flexible way we can install , manage the system with >>> voiceover support everywhere. >>> >>> However, we can't e.g. configure dropbox with voiceover while this is >>> possible on windows, office programs like microsoft office and also iWork's >>> aren't fully accessible with lay-out tasks, in my opinion there are several >>> usability issues with the browsers on the mac, some ellements of the >>> os , like >>> Tables, on websites and on numbers and pages, are very difficult to >>> navigate e.g. you can't search for edit-fields on websites while they are >>> in a table and in pages, you can't work with tables on a comfortable way. >>> the icon's on the status bar, can't be reached on a normal way with >>> voiceover... >>> >>> My conclusion: a paid screenreader for the mac that makes program's >>> accessible with scripts (like screen readers on windows do), should be very >>> welcome I think. >>> With this kind of optional screenreader, blind users should be able to use >>> all the equivalents on the mac of their windows favorites. Perhaps it >>> should push apple to make their screenreader better on a faster speed. >>> >>> Why such screenreader doesn't exist yet? >>> I see 2 reasons for this: >>> 1. Apple should not be happy with this and the screenreader of apple should >>> have more possibilities to integrate with the os then the external >>> screenreader. >>> 2. Other communities don't see a reason to make a screenreader for the mac >>> while there is one built in. >>> If it should be the second reason, any people with accessibility >>> frustrations on the mac , should communicate this to other companies >>> like gw micro, freedom scientific, baum... >>> >>> Any opinions about this meanings should be very welcome. >>> kind regards, >>> William Windels >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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