Is the only thing you have tried tabbing? I normally arrow to where I want, or use navigation keys to get there. Once I find the frame, I interact (vo-shift-down arrow). You may not have tab set to interact automatically, which could be the problem. On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Harry, the issue we are dealing with now is on the Discussions Board. There > is a content frame with text that must be read. I cannot tab to this frame, > no speech is given from within the Discussion Board. Text is visible on the > screen, but I cannot figure out how to access it. Do you have any specific > suggestions on how to access content within this frame? Thanks. > > Les > On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Harry Hogue <harryhog...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Les, >> >> I successfully use VO with Safari and Blackboard all of the time. It is a >> good idea to change the settings to "Text only," or "Plain text," I'm not >> sure how it words it. It will be under "Personalization" or something like >> that. I just graduated this May and am starting another program this fall, >> so I don't have an active Blackboard account to look at at the moment. >> >> I do hope this helps, however. >> >> Please note that Safari has never given me any problems. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Harry >> On Jul 30, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Alex, >>> >>> The user must log in, otherwise that would be a great idea. Thanks. >>> >>> Les >>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm not sure, in that case. I never had much luck with blackboard, but >>>> haven't had to use it for about three years, so they may have improved >>>> things since I was forced to endure it. I do know that they optimized it >>>> for Internet Explorer, so maybe it is something in Safari? You said you >>>> could see the text visually, which is odd as vo seems to not see it. Is >>>> there any way you could give us a link, or does the page require the user >>>> to log in? >>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Alex, >>>>> >>>>> I think we tried interacting with the frame, and still could not read the >>>>> text. I should mention that when I tabbed over and highlighted the text >>>>> in the frame, VO did not inform me of any text, so this is why I'm >>>>> figuring we have a problem. >>>>> >>>>> Les >>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Have the student interact with the frame, and all should work as >>>>>> expected. Don't forget to stop interacting when you are done reading the >>>>>> text, or vo will keep navigating only what is inside the frame. You can >>>>>> change this in the vo utility (vo-f8) if you want to, under the web tab >>>>>> of the navigation category I believe. >>>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have a student who's trying to use Safari on the Blackboard online >>>>>>>> learning system. In the "Discussion Board" section, we are unable to >>>>>>>> read plain text in a thread because the text is framed. I'm not sure >>>>>>>> if it's possible to remove the frame or somehow navigate the frame. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please let me know if this is possible. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Les >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone, please forgive typographical errors! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Blaise, lots of useful links here where you can get loads of material >>>>>>>>> for using the Mac. I'd encourage you to get whatever you feel is >>>>>>>>> appropriate, see below. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: Esther <mori...@mac-access.net> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls! >>>>>>>>>> Date: July 29, 2012 2:27:27 PM EDT >>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello Gigi and Others, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There is a VoiceOver downloads page that gives a link to the >>>>>>>>>> Lighthouse for the Blind in San Francisco, but so far it has not >>>>>>>>>> been updated for Mountain Lion. So the links for downloading the >>>>>>>>>> VoiceOver Getting Started Guide in a web browser, and also to the >>>>>>>>>> electronic braille version in .brf format, still point to Lion. As >>>>>>>>>> far as I can tell, versions for Mountain Lion have yet been prepared >>>>>>>>>> on these sites. At some point this page should be updated, but >>>>>>>>>> right now it points to Lion versions: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/voiceover/downloads.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It might help your friend to review some of the Vision Australia >>>>>>>>>> podcasts on working with VoiceOver. Also, you can check the >>>>>>>>>> AppleVis Guides section: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/guides >>>>>>>>>> • "A Guide to Making the Switch from Using a Windows Screen Reader >>>>>>>>>> to VoiceOver On a Mac" >>>>>>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/guides/guide-making-switch-using-windows-screen-reader-voiceover-mac >>>>>>>>>> • "VoiceOver Keyboard Shortcuts for Mac OS X" >>>>>>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/guides/voiceover-keyboard-shortcuts-mac-os-x >>>>>>>>>> • "General Keyboard Shortcuts for Mac OS X" >>>>>>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/guides/general-keyboard-shortcut-commands-mac-os-x >>>>>>>>>> • "VoiceOver Gestures for Use with a Multi-Touch TrackPad on Mac OS >>>>>>>>>> X" >>>>>>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/guides/voiceover-gestures-use-multi-touch-trackpad-mac-os-x >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Incidentally, web versions of the "VoiceOver Getting Started" guides >>>>>>>>>> for Mountain Lion in many different languages seem to be up, I'm a >>>>>>>>>> little puzzled why William didn't automatically get this by arrowing >>>>>>>>>> down to the last element of the VoiceOver help menu (brought up with >>>>>>>>>> VO-H). I don't have Mountain Lion installed yet, so I can't check >>>>>>>>>> the language localizations from the loaded packages, but the general >>>>>>>>>> rule for Mountain Lion seems to be that you append the language >>>>>>>>>> localization code to the web address. So you start with >>>>>>>>>> "help.apple.com", slash, "voiceover", slash, "info", slash, "guide", >>>>>>>>>> slash, "10.8", slash, and then add your localization code. If you >>>>>>>>>> don't add a localization, it defaults to English, and resolves to an >>>>>>>>>> ending of "English.lproj/index.html". This is: >>>>>>>>>> http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/index.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In general, most language localization codes are two letters, >>>>>>>>>> followed by a period and the five letter word "lproj" and end with a >>>>>>>>>> slash, or a slash followed by "index.html" (either should work). But >>>>>>>>>> the older way is to type out the language, such as "Dutch" and >>>>>>>>>> "German" and "English", so it's a bit confusing that you use >>>>>>>>>> "German.lproj" or "Dutch.lproj" while French, Greek, Danish, and >>>>>>>>>> Finnish use the newer two letter code convention of "fr.lproj", >>>>>>>>>> "el.lproj", "da.lproj", and "fi.lproj" (with lower case letters). >>>>>>>>>> In the case of Chinese, to distinguish between simplified characters >>>>>>>>>> and traditional characters, the language code adds a two letter >>>>>>>>>> country designation in caps after an underbar: "zh_CN.lproj" and >>>>>>>>>> "zh_TW.lproj", so the VoiceOver user guides in these versions become: >>>>>>>>>> • Chinese (Simplified Characters) >>>>>>>>>> http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/zh_CN.lproj/index.html >>>>>>>>>> • Chinese (Traditional Characters) >>>>>>>>>> http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/zh_TW.lproj/index.html >>>>>>>>>> But in most cases, there's a simple two letter code for the >>>>>>>>>> language, such as "ar" for Arabic, "ja" for Japanese, "pl" for >>>>>>>>>> Polish, etc. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Anyone who has trouble viewing current "VoiceOver Getting Started" >>>>>>>>>> guides for Mountain Lion in their language can try this scheme, or >>>>>>>>>> post back with questions. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> HTH. Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Esther >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello Esther >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the information on the voiceover user guide for Mountain >>>>>>>>>>> lion. I have however, an additional question. Last year, I >>>>>>>>>>> downloaded a brf file from the Apple website for voiceover under >>>>>>>>>>> snow Leopard. I also bought the 2 volume set from the San Francisco >>>>>>>>>>> Lighthouse, and back then there was a link on the Apple web site to >>>>>>>>>>> go there to do it. >>>>>>>>>>> I have a blind friend who has decided to switch to a Mac. Actually, >>>>>>>>>>> she is going to do something that would be difficult under windows. >>>>>>>>>>> A sighted friend of hers is going to get her Mac first, and my >>>>>>>>>>> friend is going to learn voice over on it. She wants to read the >>>>>>>>>>> manual ahead of time, so do you know if there is another link for >>>>>>>>>>> getting a DRF file for this? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Eugenia Firth >>>>>>>>>>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >>>>>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Have a great day, >>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >>>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. 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