Hey Ricardo, Yeah, I think you're right. I also think that those who encrypt Blue-rays and DVDs are a lot more worried about mass copying and selling of DVDs, than you or I putting one copy of a movie onto our iPad. Cheers, Donna On Dec 29, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Ricardo Walker <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ah! Ok. Thanks Donna, I guess I'm not crazy after all. lol. I think what > we ran into here was a typical case of jumping the gun, and wild assumption. > > Ricardo Walker > [email protected] > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Dec 30, 2012, at 12:10 AM, Donna Goodin <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> I think you're all confusing several different things here. I agree that >> the I'm blind so I deserve special treatment is bunk, but I don't think that >> was the point that was being put forward. >> >> 1. the point that we all copy CDs every day and no one thinks anything of >> it as long as it's for your own personal use is a valid one. I have >> hundreds of CDs, many of which I have imported into my iTunes library. No >> one looks askance at that, no one even bothers to ask whether I'm making >> that content available to anyone else. Why should a movie be any different? >> Few if any would make the argument that I am obligated to repurchase that >> content from iTunes in order to play it in my iTunes library. >> >> 2. VLC and HandBrake are available to anyone, not just the blind community. >> To ask about these resources is no different than asking what apps are >> available to help you find the best prices on shoes or gas. Kliphton was >> simply inquiring about the name of widely available programs, he can't be >> faulted for that. >> >> 3. As was already stated, encryption does not equal copyright. If you >> break encryption, but never provide the content to anyone else, you have not >> violated copyright. If that were the case, any of us who have imported a CD >> into iTunes, or scanned a book so we could read it on our computer, >> notetaker, etc. have violated copyright. >> >> Clearly, if Kliphton breaks encryption and then provides that content to >> others, or if he illegally purchases content, he has violated the law. But >> to transfer content which he has already purchased to another device for his >> personal use, is not a violation of anything.. >> Best, >> Donna >> On Dec 29, 2012, at 9:47 PM, Ray Foret Jr <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Quite right too. I wonder something. IF the person wanted to break the >>> copy right on a DVD put forth the effort to create something, would he want >>> others to do to him what he seaks now to do? >>> >>> a fair question do you not think? >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray >>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user! >>> >>> On Dec 29, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Kindly share the portion of the source post for this thread that even >>>> suggests your interpretation is this person's goal? >>>> They asked how to break a copyright. >>>> Frankly if the content of your DVD collection has value to you, you keep a >>>> means for playing them...no more no less. >>>> I do not find your description of "today's technology" is a reason for >>>> this conduct, but that too is just my opinion. >>>> Karen >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Alex Hall wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well, I apologize for my reply then, but I did not see the original >>>>> poster's question as stealing. I'll not go into the Movie Vault here, but >>>>> copying a dvd one already owns is, to me, not stealing anything. Provided >>>>> the digital copy is not sold to, given to, or otherwise distributed to >>>>> anyone else, I see the copy as a backup or a way of watching something >>>>> you already paid for on another device. For instance, say you have a Mac >>>>> Mini hooked up to a living room tv, but the Mini has no disk drive (as >>>>> they have not for a couple years). You also have a Macbook (also no disk >>>>> drive) in the house. Both devices share a network-based iTunes library, >>>>> and as neither can play your movie, you simply convert the movie into a >>>>> format that your devices can use. Yes, you can buy the movie twice over >>>>> just to have it in a compatible format, but now you've paid twice for >>>>> something you owned in the first place but was simply not compatible with >>>>> today's technology. I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but that's my opinion. >>>>> Again, you cross a line when you start distributing your copies to other >>>>> people, but as long as it's for your personal use and is used to get >>>>> around technological incompatibilities, I don't view it as stealing and >>>>> therefore have no problem helping others convert their outdated dvd >>>>> libraries into modern files playable on today's diskless computers. >>>>> On Dec 29, 2012, at 9:17 PM, Ray Foret Jr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> My sword also drawn, well sharpened and at the ready. What's right is >>>>>> right: and, what's wrong is wrong. Not to mention which, I believe the >>>>>> mod has made it very abundantly clear that the stealing of intellectual >>>>>> property by any on this list WILL, NOT Be, tolerated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nor even the discussion of it. >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray >>>>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 29, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Ray, >>>>>>> I am not sure where to start besides thanks...ahem because you are >>>>>>> blind you are entitled to stolen property? There is a regulation that >>>>>>> says this...where? >>>>>>> A bit humorously, but this is not a blindness thing so to speak, of >>>>>>> anything is a blindness thing. >>>>>>> Unfortunately it is a human disorder, i. e. because I feel >>>>>>> disadvantaged for <fill in reason> my back ground income level, skin, >>>>>>> gender whatever I have decided divides me from the rest of humanity, I >>>>>>> can claim the right to all sorts of things belonging too others >>>>>>> because I am entitled. >>>>>>> The same argument is made for other sorts of stealing, from cheating on >>>>>>> a spouse to shop lifting, and it is equally misguided. >>>>>>> to keep this on point, I suppose some forget that Apple staff are >>>>>>> rumored to read this list? >>>>>>> and I feel sure they would love to know others here are using their >>>>>>> creativity to steal from hard working professionals. >>>>>>> Kare with her shoes on but her intellectual property sword drawn smiles. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I totally second what Karen says here. Frankly, it's the attitude on >>>>>>>> the part of some blind people that just because they're blind, they >>>>>>>> have the right to steal copy right protected material makes me want to >>>>>>>> vomit!!! Nothing gives anybody the right to Steal like that. I don't >>>>>>>> care if it's a physical store, a DVD or what ever. When you buy a DVD >>>>>>>> or CD, or even a download, all you have is the right to the individual >>>>>>>> private use of that intellectual property. You DO, NOT, OWN, that >>>>>>>> intellectual property. That is the work of someone else: and, unless >>>>>>>> that someone else specifically gives you the right to make further use >>>>>>>> or to further distribute that intellectual property, , it IS, NOT, >>>>>>>> yours to do with as you will. The only thing you own is the physical >>>>>>>> medium on which that intellectual property happens to reside. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray >>>>>>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 29, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Half a moment. >>>>>>>>> Mod alert before this thread goes any further. >>>>>>>>> You actually expect people to guide you towards stealing property >>>>>>>>> here? >>>>>>>>> Just as bad as the other thread recently telling someone how to seal >>>>>>>>> movies from the vault of stolen material the mice gives away. >>>>>>>>> I trust a mod will prevent this before it gets out of hand. >>>>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Kliphton wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, what apps do people use to remove copyright protection from >>>>>>>>>> DVD's so it >>>>>>>>>> can be ripped? I heard VLC can do this, but never knew how to do it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kliphton Senior >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (Email&iMessage) [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (Twitter&Skype) kliphton72 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (Personal blog-read at your own risk!) >>>>>>>>>> http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com >>>>>>>>>> <http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com/> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (Life Journal) kliphton.wordpress.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (face book) http://facebook.com/kliphandsharrie >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Have a great day, >>>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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