Ah! Ok. Thanks Donna, I guess I'm not crazy after all. lol. I think what we ran into here was a typical case of jumping the gun, and wild assumption.
Ricardo Walker [email protected] Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Dec 30, 2012, at 12:10 AM, Donna Goodin <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi guys, > > I think you're all confusing several different things here. I agree that the > I'm blind so I deserve special treatment is bunk, but I don't think that was > the point that was being put forward. > > 1. the point that we all copy CDs every day and no one thinks anything of it > as long as it's for your own personal use is a valid one. I have hundreds of > CDs, many of which I have imported into my iTunes library. No one looks > askance at that, no one even bothers to ask whether I'm making that content > available to anyone else. Why should a movie be any different? Few if any > would make the argument that I am obligated to repurchase that content from > iTunes in order to play it in my iTunes library. > > 2. VLC and HandBrake are available to anyone, not just the blind community. > To ask about these resources is no different than asking what apps are > available to help you find the best prices on shoes or gas. Kliphton was > simply inquiring about the name of widely available programs, he can't be > faulted for that. > > 3. As was already stated, encryption does not equal copyright. If you break > encryption, but never provide the content to anyone else, you have not > violated copyright. If that were the case, any of us who have imported a CD > into iTunes, or scanned a book so we could read it on our computer, > notetaker, etc. have violated copyright. > > Clearly, if Kliphton breaks encryption and then provides that content to > others, or if he illegally purchases content, he has violated the law. But > to transfer content which he has already purchased to another device for his > personal use, is not a violation of anything.. > Best, > Donna > On Dec 29, 2012, at 9:47 PM, Ray Foret Jr <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Quite right too. I wonder something. IF the person wanted to break the >> copy right on a DVD put forth the effort to create something, would he want >> others to do to him what he seaks now to do? >> >> a fair question do you not think? >> >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray >> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user! >> >> On Dec 29, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Kindly share the portion of the source post for this thread that even >>> suggests your interpretation is this person's goal? >>> They asked how to break a copyright. >>> Frankly if the content of your DVD collection has value to you, you keep a >>> means for playing them...no more no less. >>> I do not find your description of "today's technology" is a reason for this >>> conduct, but that too is just my opinion. >>> Karen >>> >>> >>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Alex Hall wrote: >>> >>>> Well, I apologize for my reply then, but I did not see the original >>>> poster's question as stealing. I'll not go into the Movie Vault here, but >>>> copying a dvd one already owns is, to me, not stealing anything. Provided >>>> the digital copy is not sold to, given to, or otherwise distributed to >>>> anyone else, I see the copy as a backup or a way of watching something you >>>> already paid for on another device. For instance, say you have a Mac Mini >>>> hooked up to a living room tv, but the Mini has no disk drive (as they >>>> have not for a couple years). You also have a Macbook (also no disk drive) >>>> in the house. Both devices share a network-based iTunes library, and as >>>> neither can play your movie, you simply convert the movie into a format >>>> that your devices can use. Yes, you can buy the movie twice over just to >>>> have it in a compatible format, but now you've paid twice for something >>>> you owned in the first place but was simply not compatible with today's >>>> technology. I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but that's my opinion. Again, >>>> you cross a line when you start distributing your copies to other people, >>>> but as long as it's for your personal use and is used to get around >>>> technological incompatibilities, I don't view it as stealing and therefore >>>> have no problem helping others convert their outdated dvd libraries into >>>> modern files playable on today's diskless computers. >>>> On Dec 29, 2012, at 9:17 PM, Ray Foret Jr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> My sword also drawn, well sharpened and at the ready. What's right is >>>>> right: and, what's wrong is wrong. Not to mention which, I believe the >>>>> mod has made it very abundantly clear that the stealing of intellectual >>>>> property by any on this list WILL, NOT Be, tolerated. >>>>> >>>>> Nor even the discussion of it. >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray >>>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user! >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 29, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Ray, >>>>>> I am not sure where to start besides thanks...ahem because you are blind >>>>>> you are entitled to stolen property? There is a regulation that says >>>>>> this...where? >>>>>> A bit humorously, but this is not a blindness thing so to speak, of >>>>>> anything is a blindness thing. >>>>>> Unfortunately it is a human disorder, i. e. because I feel disadvantaged >>>>>> for <fill in reason> my back ground income level, skin, gender whatever >>>>>> I have decided divides me from the rest of humanity, I can claim the >>>>>> right to all sorts of things belonging too others because I am entitled. >>>>>> The same argument is made for other sorts of stealing, from cheating on >>>>>> a spouse to shop lifting, and it is equally misguided. >>>>>> to keep this on point, I suppose some forget that Apple staff are >>>>>> rumored to read this list? >>>>>> and I feel sure they would love to know others here are using their >>>>>> creativity to steal from hard working professionals. >>>>>> Kare with her shoes on but her intellectual property sword drawn smiles. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I totally second what Karen says here. Frankly, it's the attitude on >>>>>>> the part of some blind people that just because they're blind, they >>>>>>> have the right to steal copy right protected material makes me want to >>>>>>> vomit!!! Nothing gives anybody the right to Steal like that. I don't >>>>>>> care if it's a physical store, a DVD or what ever. When you buy a DVD >>>>>>> or CD, or even a download, all you have is the right to the individual >>>>>>> private use of that intellectual property. You DO, NOT, OWN, that >>>>>>> intellectual property. That is the work of someone else: and, unless >>>>>>> that someone else specifically gives you the right to make further use >>>>>>> or to further distribute that intellectual property, , it IS, NOT, >>>>>>> yours to do with as you will. The only thing you own is the physical >>>>>>> medium on which that intellectual property happens to reside. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray >>>>>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 29, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Half a moment. >>>>>>>> Mod alert before this thread goes any further. >>>>>>>> You actually expect people to guide you towards stealing property here? >>>>>>>> Just as bad as the other thread recently telling someone how to seal >>>>>>>> movies from the vault of stolen material the mice gives away. >>>>>>>> I trust a mod will prevent this before it gets out of hand. >>>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Kliphton wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, what apps do people use to remove copyright protection from DVD's >>>>>>>>> so it >>>>>>>>> can be ripped? 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