Agreed. I see it as no different from ripping a cd, or even converting records or cassette tapes into digital formats. No one would have a problem with doing that, yet when movies are involved it seems as though the rules change. Again, I mean no offense to anyone on this list and I am not pointing fingers. I am speaking in general terms, from discussions and articles I've found online when looking up this sort of thing. On Dec 29, 2012, at 10:22 PM, "Kliphton" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Alex, you are right on the money with your interpatation. Who would want to > sell a DVD for little or no money, when the buyer could go rent or watch > with all the resources that are availible these days. Netflix, Hulu, Block > buster, youtube, flicker, vimeo, and in the very near future redbox. So I > think trying to sell for prophet is a waste of time, but I should be able to > watch on my iPad, iPhone, or appleTV. Not every DVD comes with a digital > copy these days. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alex Hall > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 9:17 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: legality of copying a dvd (was removing copyright protection > from DVD) > > Well, honestly it was my first thought. When you go to rip a modern dvd, > you'll find it encrypted, what many (incorrectly) refer to as copyrighted. > The movie is copyrighted, but the physical means by which the manufacturer > of the disk tries to stop any copying of the disk is a form of encryption. > Anyway, you try to rip a dvd like you would a cd, and you find it encrypted, > or "copyrighted". So, you investigate ways of removing this "copyright", or > encryption, so you can put the movie on your computer. No, the original > poster never stated his intentions, but I guess I'm nieve enough to assume > that my above description is his goal. (How do you spell that "nieve" word > anyway?) On Dec 29, 2012, at 10:05 PM, Karen Lewellen > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Kindly share the portion of the source post for this thread that even > suggests your interpretation is this person's goal? >> They asked how to break a copyright. >> Frankly if the content of your DVD collection has value to you, you keep a > means for playing them...no more no less. >> I do not find your description of "today's technology" is a reason for > this conduct, but that too is just my opinion. >> Karen >> >> >> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Alex Hall wrote: >> >>> Well, I apologize for my reply then, but I did not see the original > poster's question as stealing. I'll not go into the Movie Vault here, but > copying a dvd one already owns is, to me, not stealing anything. Provided > the digital copy is not sold to, given to, or otherwise distributed to > anyone else, I see the copy as a backup or a way of watching something you > already paid for on another device. For instance, say you have a Mac Mini > hooked up to a living room tv, but the Mini has no disk drive (as they have > not for a couple years). You also have a Macbook (also no disk drive) in the > house. Both devices share a network-based iTunes library, and as neither can > play your movie, you simply convert the movie into a format that your > devices can use. Yes, you can buy the movie twice over just to have it in a > compatible format, but now you've paid twice for something you owned in the > first place but was simply not compatible with today's technology. I'm sorry > if I offend anyone, but that's my opinion. Again, you cross a line when you > start distributing your copies to other people, but as long as it's for your > personal use and is used to get around technological incompatibilities, I > don't view it as stealing and therefore have no problem helping others > convert their outdated dvd libraries into modern files playable on today's > diskless computers. >>> On Dec 29, 2012, at 9:17 PM, Ray Foret Jr <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> My sword also drawn, well sharpened and at the ready. What's right is > right: and, what's wrong is wrong. Not to mention which, I believe the mod > has made it very abundantly clear that the stealing of intellectual property > by any on this list WILL, NOT Be, tolerated. >>>> >>>> Nor even the discussion of it. >>>> Sincerely, >>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray >>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user! >>>> >>>> On Dec 29, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Ray, >>>>> I am not sure where to start besides thanks...ahem because you are > blind you are entitled to stolen property? There is a regulation that says > this...where? >>>>> A bit humorously, but this is not a blindness thing so to speak, of > anything is a blindness thing. >>>>> Unfortunately it is a human disorder, i. e. because I feel > disadvantaged for <fill in reason> my back ground income level, skin, gender > whatever I have decided divides me from the rest of humanity, I can claim > the right to all sorts of things belonging too others because I am > entitled. >>>>> The same argument is made for other sorts of stealing, from cheating on > a spouse to shop lifting, and it is equally misguided. >>>>> to keep this on point, I suppose some forget that Apple staff are > rumored to read this list? >>>>> and I feel sure they would love to know others here are using their > creativity to steal from hard working professionals. >>>>> Kare with her shoes on but her intellectual property sword drawn > smiles. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I totally second what Karen says here. Frankly, it's the attitude on > the part of some blind people that just because they're blind, they have the > right to steal copy right protected material makes me want to vomit!!! > Nothing gives anybody the right to Steal like that. I don't care if it's a > physical store, a DVD or what ever. When you buy a DVD or CD, or even a > download, all you have is the right to the individual private use of that > intellectual property. You DO, NOT, OWN, that intellectual property. That > is the work of someone else: and, unless that someone else specifically > gives you the right to make further use or to further distribute that > intellectual property, , it IS, NOT, yours to do with as you will. The only > thing you own is the physical medium on which that intellectual property > happens to reside. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray >>>>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 29, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Half a moment. >>>>>>> Mod alert before this thread goes any further. >>>>>>> You actually expect people to guide you towards stealing property > here? >>>>>>> Just as bad as the other thread recently telling someone how to seal > movies from the vault of stolen material the mice gives away. >>>>>>> I trust a mod will prevent this before it gets out of hand. >>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Kliphton wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, what apps do people use to remove copyright protection from >>>>>>>> DVD's so it can be ripped? 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