Fair, of course. And if it were me, I'd have no problem, but not everyone is the same. Music sails have gone down almost 40 percent if not more since computers started being shipped with CD burners. So if I buy a CD let's say, DMX or 2 Pac, and my whole crew wants a copy, that's 100 bucks in sales that album will lose, since I am going to give it, not sell it to 10 other people. But it's different when it comes to movies. Most people only want to watch a movie once or twice. Me, I have a NAS with over 2500 old and new movies that I watch with appleTV, and stream to my iPhone and iPad. I see nothing wrong with it. But hey, I'm just 1 person.
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 9:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: legality of copying a dvd (was removing copyright protection from DVD) Quite right too. I wonder something. IF the person wanted to break the copy right on a DVD put forth the effort to create something, would he want others to do to him what he seaks now to do? a fair question do you not think? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user! On Dec 29, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> wrote: Kindly share the portion of the source post for this thread that even suggests your interpretation is this person's goal? They asked how to break a copyright. Frankly if the content of your DVD collection has value to you, you keep a means for playing them...no more no less. I do not find your description of "today's technology" is a reason for this conduct, but that too is just my opinion. Karen On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Alex Hall wrote: Well, I apologize for my reply then, but I did not see the original poster's question as stealing. I'll not go into the Movie Vault here, but copying a dvd one already owns is, to me, not stealing anything. Provided the digital copy is not sold to, given to, or otherwise distributed to anyone else, I see the copy as a backup or a way of watching something you already paid for on another device. For instance, say you have a Mac Mini hooked up to a living room tv, but the Mini has no disk drive (as they have not for a couple years). You also have a Macbook (also no disk drive) in the house. Both devices share a network-based iTunes library, and as neither can play your movie, you simply convert the movie into a format that your devices can use. Yes, you can buy the movie twice over just to have it in a compatible format, but now you've paid twice for something you owned in the first place but was simply not compatible with today's technology. I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but that's my opinion. Again, you cross a line when you start distributing your copies to other people, but as long as it's for your personal use and is used to get around technological incompatibilities, I don't view it as stealing and therefore have no problem helping others convert their outdated dvd libraries into modern files playable on today's diskless computers. On Dec 29, 2012, at 9:17 PM, Ray Foret Jr <[email protected]> wrote: My sword also drawn, well sharpened and at the ready. What's right is right: and, what's wrong is wrong. Not to mention which, I believe the mod has made it very abundantly clear that the stealing of intellectual property by any on this list WILL, NOT Be, tolerated. Nor even the discussion of it. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user! On Dec 29, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Ray, I am not sure where to start besides thanks...ahem because you are blind you are entitled to stolen property? There is a regulation that says this...where? A bit humorously, but this is not a blindness thing so to speak, of anything is a blindness thing. Unfortunately it is a human disorder, i. e. because I feel disadvantaged for <fill in reason> my back ground income level, skin, gender whatever I have decided divides me from the rest of humanity, I can claim the right to all sorts of things belonging too others because I am entitled. The same argument is made for other sorts of stealing, from cheating on a spouse to shop lifting, and it is equally misguided. to keep this on point, I suppose some forget that Apple staff are rumored to read this list? and I feel sure they would love to know others here are using their creativity to steal from hard working professionals. Kare with her shoes on but her intellectual property sword drawn smiles. On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Ray Foret Jr wrote: I totally second what Karen says here. Frankly, it's the attitude on the part of some blind people that just because they're blind, they have the right to steal copy right protected material makes me want to vomit!!! Nothing gives anybody the right to Steal like that. I don't care if it's a physical store, a DVD or what ever. When you buy a DVD or CD, or even a download, all you have is the right to the individual private use of that intellectual property. You DO, NOT, OWN, that intellectual property. That is the work of someone else: and, unless that someone else specifically gives you the right to make further use or to further distribute that intellectual property, , it IS, NOT, yours to do with as you will. The only thing you own is the physical medium on which that intellectual property happens to reside. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user! On Dec 29, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> wrote: Half a moment. Mod alert before this thread goes any further. You actually expect people to guide you towards stealing property here? Just as bad as the other thread recently telling someone how to seal movies from the vault of stolen material the mice gives away. I trust a mod will prevent this before it gets out of hand. Karen On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Kliphton wrote: So, what apps do people use to remove copyright protection from DVD's so it can be ripped? I heard VLC can do this, but never knew how to do it. 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