This would be the opposite of future proof. It's a very fragile solution
where there is some 'overlay' of accessibility rather than integration.
It also means every time there is an update the overlay stops fitting
correctly and has to be reworked. Best thing is to no go there.
CB
On 2/6/13 10:00 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
One thing I hope the MS team doesn't do is just make a blindie
work-around for us, like making the TTS speak the items, but they not
truly be accessible with voiceover. This is seen in programs like
Sodbeans, an "accessible" IDE and RSGames. This, in my opinion, is
cheap, hacky programming, and should be avoided.
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On Feb 6, 2013, at 4:44 AM, Sean Murphy <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi All.
Ms Office for windows is equal to the Mac version. Only reason why it
is so accessible is by third party vendors, not by Microsoft.
Microsoft provided the DOM environment to permit third parties to
create scripts in any language to do custom actions. So JFW and
Window-eyes, plus other window screen reader have taken advantage of
this, resulting in a very accessible program.
So the MS Office team under Windows is not even that committed to
accessibility. Sure they have included the MSAA components for
specific areas like menus and dialogs. But the edit area within Word
for example is just equally inaccessible as the Mac. I haven't use the
Windows provided screen reader for a long time. But I believe it
doesn't even access the document area. If I am in error, then please
correct in relation to this point.
So Sara, this is an opportunity for MS to fix it on both platforms.
Specially with the improvements I understand are in the new version of
Windows 8.
Also everyone, you must relies that MS Windows is industry standard
and there are not many companies who don't use Office.
Just for the list, I will list some of the features that Office Word
should make exposed:
Being able to navigate the document by character, word, line,
sentence, paragraph.
Detecting different fonts, attributes of fonts, point sizes, colour of
fonts, line heights, etc.
Styles being used.
tables and navigation of them.
Column detection and navigation of them.
Page detection
Detection of graphics.
Detections of borders and their properties
Bullets, list, indents and their properties.
detection of spelling and gramma errors.
Is there anything else I have missed everyone?
Sean
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On 05/02/2013, at 6:02 AM, Kerri <[email protected]
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My input here is that what you are stating is that by the time Word
and Excel become accessible most people either won't switch or like
something better.
On 2013-02-04, at 5:31 AM, Max <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
A few notes on MS Office for Mac OS from my perspective:
-In my experience both Word and Excel are unusable. In Word I
cannot actually write and read back what I’ve written. In Excel, I
can’t navigate and manipulate cells. For these reasons I do not use
either programme on the Mac. Really, this is very basic and MS
should be ashamed of themselves for shipping such an
unaccessibleproduct.
-The fact that Word is broken on Mac has forced me to explore
alternatives. I’ve leart to use both Pages and Scrivener. I am now
a Scrivener fan and would probably not go back to Word even if it
became accessible on Mac. I would probably never even have tried
Scrivener had Word been accessible.
-I am encouraged that MS is seemingly trying to take accessibility
more seriously. However, good intentions only go so far. Even their
own operating system is inaccessible without extremely expensive
third party software like JAWS. Apple has put them to shame with
Voice Over. I will only believe in change at MS once I see it.
Until they start putting their code where their mouth is, I will
encourage other blind people to switch to Mac.
Finally, my criticism above obviously does not apply to Sarah, but
rather to MS as a whole. Thank you Sarah for joining the list and
taking the time to read all the comments posted here. Hopefully you
can be part of a new more decent MS.
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