Actually, given how much access is an individual thing, why is 100% the
measure for anyone? What you think is accessible not not apply to
another person even if they have the same label. People choose the
device that works for them. Some
want a touch screen, some want keys like those with a blackberry device.
there are many reasons why a person uniquely scoring differently on an
eye test will choose an android device.
Honestly, I keep wondering why companies like cell phone providers are not
required to include the third party software on the device, if they
publicly represent the device as accessible as a part of their marketing
/ sales effort. it is like putting something on the menu but not serving
the food.
Back to google.
Personally? and I have been on the accessibility list of theirs for some
time now, I think google is simply confused.
First, they are building based on stereotypes and generalizations, not the
reality of how differently people use tools. This is not their fault, the
generalization starts with others who benefit from thinking all those
with the label of blindness or any other disability are just the same.
They might not even consider ios because someone is telling them no one
uses them...or they find one individual with the blindness label and think
hey it works for them it works for all!
Second, they have decided in advance that accessibility is hard, kept simple
it is not.
third, and this applies to any company, you are not making it financially
worth their while.
There are people from all professional backgrounds who experience
disabilities. Accessibility BTW applies to more than those experiencing
sight loss.
However no one, say no institution where disabilities studies is a program
, or any consumer organization
has bothered to gather the market numbers.
even if one lives on some form of social assistance, it is still money.
Is it not time to treat this like a paying market of customers instead of a
feel good or legal mandate?
I mean even the federal government is far from 100% accessible.
Hey apple is making tons of money including access as a seamless aspect of
their products, prove to other companies they can make money and it might
just be a simple sell.
Karen
On Sat, 18 May 2013, Michael Babcock wrote:
At least there is accessibility on android, and you don't have to pay $1200 to receive
accessibility on android. I think number two should be removed personally, unless you
plan to go soon Microsoft, Gateway, Dell, Hewlett-Packard, etc. because they don't
include accessibility features in their operating system that is preinstalled. If someone
asked me which mobile phone platform I would suggest for a blind or visually impaired
users, my response would be "if you wanted to work, right out-of-the-box choose iOS.
If you want something to tinker with, choosing android". They both have
accessibility, and, I think a lot of blind or visually impaired individuals get
frustrated with android, because it is a learning curve. So, again I personally think
number two is inappropriate for this particular situation. In addition, there are
alternatives to Google hangout, why is Google responsible for being 100% accessible? When
other companies are not 100% accessible, and 95% of the features can be accessed. And
again, as obvious that Google hangouts isn't 100% accessible on iOS, it is apparent that
iOS in that sense is no better than android because from what I remember, Google plus was
actually usable on android.
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On May 18, 2013, at 6:43 AM, Alex Hall <[email protected]> wrote:
I think point 2 should stay. It is not device-specific, but rather a general
point that many accessibility features have to be downloaded separately on
Android in general. There is no way to say that without people knowing you are
talking about using Android devices. Perhaps the bit about not knowing why
anyone would choose android should be removed, but other than that I see where
the OP is coming from. I'd sign this, but they want my full street address and
city/state... I'm not sure I want to make that public!
On May 18, 2013, at 3:39 AM, Pete Nalda <[email protected]> wrote:
You have very valid points on 1 and 3, but for the sake of being on topic in
this list. Your argument about devices should NOT be mentioned in your
petition. Here, you're preaching to the choir, but publicly, you're starting a
war, and your arguments are weak. We should leave that subject out. Going back
to point #1, Google+ is also not very accessible on iOS devices, and I've
stated that many times, on Google+, by the way. On your petition, you might
also add, that google's search page should be made stretch-zoomable on iOS as
well. If we can strike out the Device parts, I'll gladly sign.
On May 18, 2013, at 2:18 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Hey Listers,
I am asking for your assistance. I have started a petition on Change .Org for
Google Accessibility. I started this petition because Google declared to the
world they were dedicated to Accessibility. However; their actions do not
reflect this statement. Of course browsers and email are accessible. This is a
requirement by law. That's where the dedication ends. I'm including some
examples.
The first example is Google +. If you have ever looked at the app; there are
many links and buttons which aren't clearly labeled. The useability is pretty
much non existent.
For those who have tried an Android device; its not Google that provides the
majority of accessibility. It's 3rd party developers and apps. You could spend
a whole day trying to find an adequate way to get a task done. Of course; this
is because you must find work arounds. I don't know why any blind individual
would choose Android at this point. Its not like Apple software which just
works out of the box.
The last example is the new Hangouts app. It falls into the same category as
Google +. Links and buttons aren't clearly labeled. The useability again is
lacking.
Please take a moment to sign the petition. Tell Google to live up to the
promise of accessibility in their products. More importantly; tell them the
disabled community is not a second -class society.
Thank you for your help!
Google Petition:
http://www.change.org/petitions/google-include-accessibility-in-all-products-2?share_id=GhGKYCjqjF&utm_campaign=twitter_link_action_box&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition
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