Hmm vo j seems to work every time for me.  I wonder why it’s different on some 
systems.
Maria and Joe Chapman
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On 18 Dec 2013, at 2:56 am, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote:

> Hi Robert, this is heartening, but since your experience on the list seems to 
> be the exception rather than the rule, I think Apple Accessibility needs to 
> let us know what the magic ingredient is to getting VO-J behaving 100% of the 
> time in Mail as it used to.
> For now the work-around I'v employed is to press it 3 times quickly. Pressing 
> it once works every so often.
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> On 18/12/2013, at 4:44 am, ROBERT CARTER <nc5rn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am using a 2012 retina MacBook Pro. When I am on the message list in mail 
>> and press vo+j, the body of the message is read immediately by VoiceOver. I 
>> do not experience any delay at all.
>> 
>> Robert Carter
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:36 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Exactly, and that's why I usually use vo-a as soon as the message opens. In 
>>> Mavericks, this won't work since the message usually takes so long to load. 
>>> The clicks don't anny me, and I appreciate them when reading text where 
>>> something like an embedded address is detected. It is more that there are a 
>>> bunch of extra clicks before the message is even read, and that reading 
>>> said message takes so long.
>>> On Dec 17, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The problem for me with pressing Return on a message instead of VO-J, is 
>>>> that the message subject and folder you're in is spoken first before the 
>>>> message itself. That adds up to a huge amount of extra verbiage when you 
>>>> read hundreds of messages a day.
>>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>>> Mosen Consulting
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>>>> http://Mosen.org
>>>> 
>>>> On 18/12/2013, at 2:26 am, alia robinson <ali...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> this is untrue. when reading mail in lion vo did not say one row added in 
>>>>> classic view or modern view. It did say it in conversation view, but when 
>>>>> you vo/j on a message it read normally. I read hundreds of mail messages 
>>>>> before upgrading to mavericks, and when you were focused on the text of a 
>>>>> message with vo/j you were not interupted. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alia
>>>>> On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:21 AM, Richard Ring <richr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> VO has said 1 row added since Snow Leopard, it is not just a mail thing, 
>>>>>> it happens in any table wher additional rows are in fact, added.
>>>>>> If VO J isn’t working for you, try simply pressing enter on a message 
>>>>>> you wish to read, and when you’re done, press command w.
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