Hi April, I think that Teresa is right. I didn't follow this thread from the beginning, but it seems pretty clear that there's a big piece that you're missing. Perhaps if you were able to work one on one with someone, You could more easily get the support you need so that you could avoid experiences like the one you had today
Also, and like Teresa I don't mean to be discouraging, but there's nothing that says you have to use a Mac. If it's proving too much for you to learn the Mac, and you're comfortable with Windows, maybe the best thing is for you to stay on a PC. Choosing a computing environment is a highly subjective thing, and if you like Windows better, I can't imagine any reason in the world why you would have to switch to a Mac. Best, Donna On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:57 PM, April Brown <aprilbrownwr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Donna, I am trying to learn VoiceOver. Not successfully. I still have > some vision, some days. I now have a headache. Thanks to Ray Foret, I can > now open a web page, I just still can't figure out how to get it to read it > without clicking where I need it to go. I have to learn to learn this before > I am completely blind. Or perhaps, it would be better for me to not, and use > a Braille display instead. However, I will likely retain some hearing at > least another five to ten years. I still don't under stand half the words on > these manuals. It's Greek and Chinese mixed. I'm, glad there are people > out there who have someone to show them how, and the order to do things in. > I can't figure it out. And with poor memory, I'll need it written to ever > duplicate it. > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:52:42 PM UTC-5, Donna wrote: > April, > > I can't even imagine what approach you're trying to take here, or why you're > taking it. > > In the nearly four years I've been using a Mac, I don't think I've *ever > turned Voiceover off. You don't need to "clear" anything. > Best, > Donna > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown <aprilbr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it back >> up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure out >> the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's incorrect. >> I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple lists of >> commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant jigsaw >> puzzle. I try what you suggest. >> >> Thanks, >> >> April >> . >> >> On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: >> April, >> >> First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for >> nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get >> out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure you >> are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. >> >> First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. >> >> Here’s how to get in to book marks. >> >> 1. Open Safari. >> >> 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. >> >> 3. Now, press b for book marks. >> >> 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark >> folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. >> >> Want to edit your book Marks? >> >> Do this. >> >> 1. Open safari. >> >> 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window. >> >> You should know enough by now to take it from there. >> >> >> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >> built-in! >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >> >> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown <aprilbr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I opened Safari. >>> I turned VoiceOver on. >>> After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. >>> Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it crashed, >>> and a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. >>> >>> I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. >>> >>> Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar to an >>> actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it >>> highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh? >>> >>> So, I closed and turned it all off again. >>> >>> Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned VoiceOver >>> back on. Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to content. At >>> least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need read to me, and >>> it will then work. >>> >>> That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today. >>> >>> Back to writing. >>> >>> And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a random >>> list. >>> >>> So far, to get it on Safari, I have: >>> Step 1: Open Safari >>> Step 2: Command, F5 to start VoiceOver >>> Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks. And >>> yet it doesn't quiet work, as it doesn't go the list of bookmarks. It did >>> once. >>> >>> And where did this creepy male voice come from that keeps interrupting? 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