Hi Phil,
Yes I have attempted to complete the tutorial three times. I can't
get VoiceOver to work in it either. It beeps at me.
On Sunday, January 12, 2014 9:21:55 PM UTC-5, phil halton wrote:
>
> have you tried to learn VoiceOver basics by opening the VoiceOver help
> menu and selecting the quick start tutorial? Once you've worked through
> that tutorial you can read through the getting started guide?
> Me thinks you're making it far more complicated than it is. Honestly,
> start at the beginning, learn VO basics by taking the quick start tutorial,
> then move on to reading systematically through the getting started guide
> which is essentially a webpage in Safari that covers every aspect of
> VoiceOver - it's really quite thorough and easy to read.
>
> The best advice I ever got when I first started learning to use a mac was
> to forget everything I thought I knew and just start at the beginning.
> Also, take a deep breathe and keep things simple - it's not so hard if
> people like me and others here can master it, then so can you.
>
>
> On Jan 12, 2014, at 3:58 PM, April Brown <[email protected]<javascript:>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Regina,
>
> I thought about just trying to learn to use it in Mail. However,
> when I need it most right now, is the late afternoon, When I want to relax,
> the screen is too blurry to see, and some nice Internet surfing would be a
> good way to relax for twenty minutes. While learning something new I will
> need full time before long.
>
> I feel like someone took a 2,000 piece jigsaw puzzle, took out all
> the corners,edges, and half the remaining pieces, and handed it to me to
> guess how the rest goes together
>
> I've even tried to find a list that just focuses on web commands. And
> they are so full of terms I have no clue what they are, that it's probably
> useless to me without a definition sheet. How can I guess what the
> command is for if it's name, and description is something unintelligible to
> me?
>
> I'm off to eat dinner and close my eye.
>
> Good night, and I'll try again tomorrow. Another way, perhaps.
>
> On Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:39:38 PM UTC-5, regina alvarado wrote:
>>
>> April, best command I have learned myself at this point is command Q to
>> close everything and command W to close windows. A few days ago I believe
>> Sarai sent an article from Mac World. If it did anything for me, it made
>> the layout of the screen much more understandable. I even learned what Time
>> Machine was, though still don't know how to use. I could resend if you
>> like. I think perhaps you are trying to do too much all at once. Maybe you
>> should focus on mail and get used to getting into it and reading and
>> writing email until you are comfortable. You may even want to tackle only
>> starting the machine and getting on the desktop which has another name I
>> forgot. Don't try to learn all commands at once. Pick something and become
>> really reliable with it. What I am learning is that a lot of times the
>> commands will be the same in different places and apps. By the way, I wear
>> hearing aids and have had to tweak my voices to find something I can
>> understand. I also don't have a very good memory so little chunks of info
>> is all I can handle until cemented into long term memory. I thought the Mac
>> was very different from iPhone, but I am finding there is a lot of
>> similarity too. I know you can do this. I just will not let it defeat me.
>> Took me a long time to learn Windows so it will take a while to change
>> operating systems. However, we can do this!
>>
>>
>> reggie and Allegra
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2014, at 2:57 PM, April Brown <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Donna, I am trying to learn VoiceOver. Not successfully. I still
>> have some vision, some days. I now have a headache. Thanks to Ray Foret,
>> I can now open a web page, I just still can't figure out how to get it to
>> read it without clicking where I need it to go. I have to learn to learn
>> this before I am completely blind. Or perhaps, it would be better for me
>> to not, and use a Braille display instead. However, I will likely retain
>> some hearing at least another five to ten years. I still don't under stand
>> half the words on these manuals. It's Greek and Chinese mixed. I'm, glad
>> there are people out there who have someone to show them how, and the order
>> to do things in. I can't figure it out. And with poor memory, I'll need
>> it written to ever duplicate it.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:52:42 PM UTC-5, Donna wrote:
>>>
>>> April,
>>>
>>> I can't even imagine what approach you're trying to take here, or why
>>> you're taking it.
>>>
>>> In the nearly four years I've been using a Mac, I don't think I've *ever
>>> turned Voiceover off. You don't need to "clear" anything.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it
>>> back up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure
>>> out the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's
>>> incorrect. I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple
>>> lists of commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant
>>> jigsaw puzzle. I try what you suggest.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> April
>>> .
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote:
>>>>
>>>> April,
>>>>
>>>> First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for
>>>> nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you
>>>> get
>>>> out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure
>>>> you are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect.
>>>>
>>>> First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off.
>>>>
>>>> Here’s how to get in to book marks.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Open Safari.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Now, press b for book marks.
>>>>
>>>> 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book
>>>> mark folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it.
>>>>
>>>> Want to edit your book Marks?
>>>>
>>>> Do this.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Open safari.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window.
>>>>
>>>> You should know enough by now to take it from there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the
>>>> blind built-in!
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5
>>>> user!
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I opened Safari.
>>>> I turned VoiceOver on.
>>>> After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks.
>>>> Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it
>>>> crashed, and a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking.
>>>>
>>>> I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again.
>>>>
>>>> Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar
>>>> to an actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it
>>>> highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh?
>>>>
>>>> So, I closed and turned it all off again.
>>>>
>>>> Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned
>>>> VoiceOver back on. Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to
>>>> content. At least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need
>>>> read to me, and it will then work.
>>>>
>>>> That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today.
>>>>
>>>> Back to writing.
>>>>
>>>> And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a
>>>> random list.
>>>>
>>>> So far, to get it on Safari, I have:
>>>> Step 1: Open Safari
>>>> Step 2: Command, F5 to start VoiceOver
>>>> Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks.
>>>> And yet it doesn't quiet work, as it doesn't go the list of bookmarks. It
>>>> did once.
>>>>
>>>> And where did this creepy male voice come from that keeps
>>>> interrupting? I can't comprehend low tones.
>>>>
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