April, best command I have learned myself at this point is command Q to close everything and command W to close windows. A few days ago I believe Sarai sent an article from Mac World. If it did anything for me, it made the layout of the screen much more understandable. I even learned what Time Machine was, though still don't know how to use. I could resend if you like. I think perhaps you are trying to do too much all at once. Maybe you should focus on mail and get used to getting into it and reading and writing email until you are comfortable. You may even want to tackle only starting the machine and getting on the desktop which has another name I forgot. Don't try to learn all commands at once. Pick something and become really reliable with it. What I am learning is that a lot of times the commands will be the same in different places and apps. By the way, I wear hearing aids and have had to tweak my voices to find something I can understand. I also don't have a very good memory so little chunks of info is all I can handle until cemented into long term memory. I thought the Mac was very different from iPhone, but I am finding there is a lot of similarity too. I know you can do this. I just will not let it defeat me. Took me a long time to learn Windows so it will take a while to change operating systems. However, we can do this!
reggie and Allegra On Jan 12, 2014, at 2:57 PM, April Brown <aprilbrownwr...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Donna, I am trying to learn VoiceOver. Not successfully. I still have some vision, some days. I now have a headache. Thanks to Ray Foret, I can now open a web page, I just still can't figure out how to get it to read it without clicking where I need it to go. I have to learn to learn this before I am completely blind. Or perhaps, it would be better for me to not, and use a Braille display instead. However, I will likely retain some hearing at least another five to ten years. I still don't under stand half the words on these manuals. It's Greek and Chinese mixed. I'm, glad there are people out there who have someone to show them how, and the order to do things in. I can't figure it out. And with poor memory, I'll need it written to ever duplicate it. > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:52:42 PM UTC-5, Donna wrote: > April, > > I can't even imagine what approach you're trying to take here, or why you're > taking it. > > In the nearly four years I've been using a Mac, I don't think I've *ever > turned Voiceover off. You don't need to "clear" anything. > Best, > Donna >> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown <aprilbr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it back >> up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure out >> the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's incorrect. >> I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple lists of >> commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant jigsaw >> puzzle. I try what you suggest. >> >> Thanks, >> >> April >> . >> >>> On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: >>> April, >>> >>> First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for >>> nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get >>> out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure >>> you are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. >>> >>> First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. >>> >>> Here’s how to get in to book marks. >>> >>> 1. Open Safari. >>> >>> 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. >>> >>> 3. Now, press b for book marks. >>> >>> 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark >>> folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. >>> >>> Want to edit your book Marks? >>> >>> Do this. >>> >>> 1. Open safari. >>> >>> 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window. >>> >>> You should know enough by now to take it from there. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >>> built-in! >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>> >>>> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown <aprilbr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I opened Safari. >>>> I turned VoiceOver on. >>>> After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. >>>> Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it crashed, >>>> and a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. >>>> >>>> I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. >>>> >>>> Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar to >>>> an actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it >>>> highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh? >>>> >>>> So, I closed and turned it all off again. >>>> >>>> Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned VoiceOver >>>> back on. Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to content. >>>> At least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need read to me, >>>> and it will then work. >>>> >>>> That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today. >>>> >>>> Back to writing. >>>> >>>> And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a random >>>> list. >>>> >>>> So far, to get it on Safari, I have: >>>> Step 1: Open Safari >>>> Step 2: Command, F5 to start VoiceOver >>>> Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks. And >>>> yet it doesn't quiet work, as it doesn't go the list of bookmarks. It did >>>> once. >>>> >>>> And where did this creepy male voice come from that keeps interrupting? 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