Almost nobody is average. Most people fall somewhere on the curve either above or below the mean.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: [email protected] Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 22 Jan 2014, at 12:38, Brian Fischler <[email protected]> wrote: > > I take it you aren’t implying all blind people are average, as I have yet to > meet a blind person who can fully use google and all of there native apps > with VoiceOVer >> On Jan 21, 2014, at 5:20 PM, David Chittenden <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Actually, Google is an excellent research company. Outside of universities, >> Google hires more PhD's and researchers then any other private company. The >> problems are: because they have mainly very geeky people, they are not good >> at writing basic level user interfaces, and Devices the research work well >> for people who know what they are doing, but do not necessarily work so well >> for average people. >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> Email: [email protected] >> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 9:54, Brian Fischler <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for letting me know the Google issues are not just with Apple. I am >>> an Apple loyalist, but assumed the Gmail issues and screen reader were just >>> with Apple. I am noticing that all of my sent emails are also going to this >>> ALL mail folder. I found some instructions on the web on what to do, but >>> can’t seem to navigate Gmail on the web at all, as the old classic view >>> seems to gone away. Hilarious that Google still can’t make their mail and >>> apps work with a screen reader, but people are going to trust Google to put >>> them behind the wheel of a self driving car. Makes me laugh. At least mail >>> is working a lot better today, but would like to get to the root of the >>> problem before the problems arise again. >>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:42 PM, David Chittenden <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes, but it is not just VO. Bye had similar problems when I used Windows >>>> systems. Google regularly has problems with screenreader access. >>>> >>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>> Email: [email protected] >>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 9:21, Brian Fischler <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I think it is in settings but the idiots at Google still can’t make their >>>>> gmail website work with VO. I just looked at the gmail site, and I think >>>>> it reverted back to the view that doesn’t work with VO, and I can’t seem >>>>> to find the damn link for classic view or non html whatever it is called. >>>>> Very frustrating that Google still refuses to design their apps and stuff >>>>> to work with VO. >>>>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:13 PM, David Chittenden <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Gmail has a couple settings which are initially set in a confusing way. >>>>>> One of these settings is archive all mail. This is the default setting. >>>>>> It means, whenever an email is deleted, Gmail places the archive label >>>>>> on the message. For some reason, when Apple mail first sees these old >>>>>> messages, it assigns them back to the original inbox folder. I ended up >>>>>> with over 140,000 email messages since 2005. >>>>>> >>>>>> The solution is: go to >>>>>> www.gmail.com >>>>>> and log-in to your gmail account. Find the preferences or settings page >>>>>> (I do not remember what it is called), and locate the how to handle >>>>>> deleted messages. Change this setting from permanently archive to >>>>>> delete. Another setting found in this area is POP3 or IMAP. These are >>>>>> checkboxes, so Gmail can be set to do both at the same time. I used to >>>>>> do this, but found occasional headaches from it, so changed everything >>>>>> to IMAP. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am currently in the process of deleting all my older messages. I >>>>>> occasionally sort out important messages during the process. I am doing >>>>>> this on my iPhone as the mail interface makes more sense to me. I am >>>>>> down to 44,000 messages at this point. >>>>>> >>>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 4:15, Brian Fischler <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey Nicholas, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bingo I think you hit the problem right on the head, as I just looked >>>>>>> at this all mail folder and there are 96,000 messages in it. What the >>>>>>> heck is this folder, as I looked and there are emails I deleted years >>>>>>> ago. Is there a way to manage this folder in any settings or get some >>>>>>> sighted assistance to purge some mail on the gmail website. Where do I >>>>>>> find the activity menu to see what mail is doing? Will explore around >>>>>>> for it, but not sure where it is. Thanks, >>>>>>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 1:09 AM, Nicholas Parsons >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Bryan, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> First thing, about how many messages altogether do you have in gMail? >>>>>>>> Meaning in your All Mail folder. If it's in the tens of thousands, or >>>>>>>> hundreds of thousands, then I think I know what the problem is. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Second, is your All Mail folder enabled for IMAP? It should be. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I by no means an expert on this issue—I don't think anybody is. There >>>>>>>> seems to be lots of different issues and neither Apple or much of the >>>>>>>> tech community seems to really know or agree on what's going on. But >>>>>>>> what I think is happening is that Mavericks Mail has to re-download >>>>>>>> and reconfigure every message you have in gMail. Most of us have >>>>>>>> plenty of messages, easily in the tens of thousands, and some people >>>>>>>> even have hundreds of thousands. So when you launch Mail after >>>>>>>> recently installing Mavericks, if you show the activity window with >>>>>>>> command-option-0, you'll notice that Mail is busy accessing the gMail >>>>>>>> server and checking and downloading all your messages. Even for a >>>>>>>> reasonably small account this can take a long time. I left my Mac >>>>>>>> online with Mail running but nothing else for a couple of days. This >>>>>>>> seemed to allow it to get up and running. So I'd suggest you close >>>>>>>> every application and stop as many other online services as you can >>>>>>>> from operating, then just open Mail and leave your Mac online for a >>>>>>>> good long time. Meaning at least 24 hours. Just leave it, and don't do >>>>>>>> anything else with it, certainly not with Mail. Configure your energy >>>>>>>> preferences so your Mac doesn't go to sleep. Check the Mail activity >>>>>>>> every few hours to check that it's making progress. If it seems to >>>>>>>> have frozen, quit it and re-launch. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best of luck, >>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 21 Jan 2014, at 12:04 pm, Brian Fischler <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Would love any advice from those of you not having any problems with >>>>>>>>> Gmail and Macmail. After a day and a half of everything working >>>>>>>>> fine, I had my busy busy problems again. I called Apple and spoke to >>>>>>>>> their VoiceOver people and they kept insisting that my problem wasn’t >>>>>>>>> a gmail and mac mail problem. I connected via remote session with >>>>>>>>> Apple, and the specialist was claiming my issue was caused by my >>>>>>>>> other mail account from go daddy. It took us a good hour to check >>>>>>>>> settings, and mail was constantly caught in a busy loop, after that >>>>>>>>> did nothing, I did a system repair which Apple felt would fix the >>>>>>>>> mail busy issue. I am not going to go in to the bad set of >>>>>>>>> instructions that Apple gave me for a VoiceOVer user to do a repair. >>>>>>>>> So the repair finally finishes and as soon as I launch mail, busy >>>>>>>>> busy busy. I decided to delete my gmail account from mail to see if >>>>>>>>> mail worked with just my go daddy account, and sure enough mail >>>>>>>>> worked fine, so bingo it is definitely a gmail problem. What angers >>>>>>>>> me so much is Apple’s claim that the fix they released in December >>>>>>>>> fixed the gmail and mac mail issue. The whole reason I held off >>>>>>>>> upgrading to Mavericks was because of the gmail issue. Not sure how >>>>>>>>> they can claim the issue is fixed when it is obviously gmail causing >>>>>>>>> my problem. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I do have a ton of email in gmail that I keep saved in folders, but >>>>>>>>> this was never an issue with gmail and Lion. Does anyone have any >>>>>>>>> suggestions? I deleted all my trash in mac mail, and this did nothing >>>>>>>>> either. 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