I take it you aren’t implying all blind people are average, as I have yet to meet a blind person who can fully use google and all of there native apps with VoiceOVer On Jan 21, 2014, at 5:20 PM, David Chittenden <[email protected]> wrote:
> Actually, Google is an excellent research company. Outside of universities, > Google hires more PhD's and researchers then any other private company. The > problems are: because they have mainly very geeky people, they are not good > at writing basic level user interfaces, and Devices the research work well > for people who know what they are doing, but do not necessarily work so well > for average people. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: [email protected] > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 22 Jan 2014, at 9:54, Brian Fischler <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Thanks for letting me know the Google issues are not just with Apple. I am >> an Apple loyalist, but assumed the Gmail issues and screen reader were just >> with Apple. I am noticing that all of my sent emails are also going to this >> ALL mail folder. I found some instructions on the web on what to do, but >> can’t seem to navigate Gmail on the web at all, as the old classic view >> seems to gone away. Hilarious that Google still can’t make their mail and >> apps work with a screen reader, but people are going to trust Google to put >> them behind the wheel of a self driving car. Makes me laugh. At least mail >> is working a lot better today, but would like to get to the root of the >> problem before the problems arise again. >>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:42 PM, David Chittenden <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Yes, but it is not just VO. Bye had similar problems when I used Windows >>> systems. Google regularly has problems with screenreader access. >>> >>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>> Email: [email protected] >>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 9:21, Brian Fischler <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I think it is in settings but the idiots at Google still can’t make their >>>> gmail website work with VO. I just looked at the gmail site, and I think >>>> it reverted back to the view that doesn’t work with VO, and I can’t seem >>>> to find the damn link for classic view or non html whatever it is called. >>>> Very frustrating that Google still refuses to design their apps and stuff >>>> to work with VO. >>>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:13 PM, David Chittenden <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Gmail has a couple settings which are initially set in a confusing way. >>>>> One of these settings is archive all mail. This is the default setting. >>>>> It means, whenever an email is deleted, Gmail places the archive label on >>>>> the message. For some reason, when Apple mail first sees these old >>>>> messages, it assigns them back to the original inbox folder. I ended up >>>>> with over 140,000 email messages since 2005. >>>>> >>>>> The solution is: go to >>>>> www.gmail.com >>>>> and log-in to your gmail account. Find the preferences or settings page >>>>> (I do not remember what it is called), and locate the how to handle >>>>> deleted messages. Change this setting from permanently archive to delete. >>>>> Another setting found in this area is POP3 or IMAP. These are checkboxes, >>>>> so Gmail can be set to do both at the same time. I used to do this, but >>>>> found occasional headaches from it, so changed everything to IMAP. >>>>> >>>>> I am currently in the process of deleting all my older messages. I >>>>> occasionally sort out important messages during the process. I am doing >>>>> this on my iPhone as the mail interface makes more sense to me. I am down >>>>> to 44,000 messages at this point. >>>>> >>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 4:15, Brian Fischler <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey Nicholas, >>>>>> >>>>>> Bingo I think you hit the problem right on the head, as I just looked at >>>>>> this all mail folder and there are 96,000 messages in it. What the heck >>>>>> is this folder, as I looked and there are emails I deleted years ago. Is >>>>>> there a way to manage this folder in any settings or get some sighted >>>>>> assistance to purge some mail on the gmail website. Where do I find the >>>>>> activity menu to see what mail is doing? Will explore around for it, but >>>>>> not sure where it is. Thanks, >>>>>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 1:09 AM, Nicholas Parsons >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Bryan, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First thing, about how many messages altogether do you have in gMail? >>>>>>> Meaning in your All Mail folder. If it's in the tens of thousands, or >>>>>>> hundreds of thousands, then I think I know what the problem is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Second, is your All Mail folder enabled for IMAP? It should be. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I by no means an expert on this issue—I don't think anybody is. There >>>>>>> seems to be lots of different issues and neither Apple or much of the >>>>>>> tech community seems to really know or agree on what's going on. But >>>>>>> what I think is happening is that Mavericks Mail has to re-download and >>>>>>> reconfigure every message you have in gMail. Most of us have plenty of >>>>>>> messages, easily in the tens of thousands, and some people even have >>>>>>> hundreds of thousands. So when you launch Mail after recently >>>>>>> installing Mavericks, if you show the activity window with >>>>>>> command-option-0, you'll notice that Mail is busy accessing the gMail >>>>>>> server and checking and downloading all your messages. Even for a >>>>>>> reasonably small account this can take a long time. I left my Mac >>>>>>> online with Mail running but nothing else for a couple of days. This >>>>>>> seemed to allow it to get up and running. So I'd suggest you close >>>>>>> every application and stop as many other online services as you can >>>>>>> from operating, then just open Mail and leave your Mac online for a >>>>>>> good long time. Meaning at least 24 hours. Just leave it, and don't do >>>>>>> anything else with it, certainly not with Mail. Configure your energy >>>>>>> preferences so your Mac doesn't go to sleep. Check the Mail activity >>>>>>> every few hours to check that it's making progress. If it seems to have >>>>>>> frozen, quit it and re-launch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best of luck, >>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 21 Jan 2014, at 12:04 pm, Brian Fischler <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Would love any advice from those of you not having any problems with >>>>>>>> Gmail and Macmail. After a day and a half of everything working fine, >>>>>>>> I had my busy busy problems again. I called Apple and spoke to their >>>>>>>> VoiceOver people and they kept insisting that my problem wasn’t a >>>>>>>> gmail and mac mail problem. I connected via remote session with Apple, >>>>>>>> and the specialist was claiming my issue was caused by my other mail >>>>>>>> account from go daddy. It took us a good hour to check settings, and >>>>>>>> mail was constantly caught in a busy loop, after that did nothing, I >>>>>>>> did a system repair which Apple felt would fix the mail busy issue. I >>>>>>>> am not going to go in to the bad set of instructions that Apple gave >>>>>>>> me for a VoiceOVer user to do a repair. So the repair finally finishes >>>>>>>> and as soon as I launch mail, busy busy busy. I decided to delete my >>>>>>>> gmail account from mail to see if mail worked with just my go daddy >>>>>>>> account, and sure enough mail worked fine, so bingo it is definitely a >>>>>>>> gmail problem. What angers me so much is Apple’s claim that the fix >>>>>>>> they released in December fixed the gmail and mac mail issue. The >>>>>>>> whole reason I held off upgrading to Mavericks was because of the >>>>>>>> gmail issue. Not sure how they can claim the issue is fixed when it is >>>>>>>> obviously gmail causing my problem. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do have a ton of email in gmail that I keep saved in folders, but >>>>>>>> this was never an issue with gmail and Lion. Does anyone have any >>>>>>>> suggestions? I deleted all my trash in mac mail, and this did nothing >>>>>>>> either. 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