Hello, This academic project discussion has been going on for quite some time!
How many students will write code for the sake of creativity, intrest etc? VERY VERY FEW! Most want to use IT as a vehicle to riches. Being a computer assembler, network engineer, freelance programmer, consultant and corporate trainer since 1990 without any formal degree in computer science I can safely say I have seen a lot of aspiring IT professionals in my time and written/helped write projects for students. Pre 2000 before the IT industry hit India in a big way, most students went for computer degrees out of intrest, they contributed a lot to their own project, I helped many of them with R & D and code prototyping. Today these guys are in the top ranks of their companies. After trying to get students interested in core programming and getting my reputation badly bruised and becoming poorer by a good amount of cash, I have wound up my institute. My former students post 2005, some even connected to the LUG, now say I don't know Linux programming, kernel or otherwise! My methodology of training was to explain a concept, write some code to get them started and provide them with books, printouts etc, rather than follow up on this foundation these guys stare at the PC for some time, flip the pages of the book and then say 'Saar, I have finished that, what next?'. Tell me, is Saar expected to know the complete Linux Kernel API extempore? If Saar refers to some book/site to clarify a doubt they say 'Saar is reading from book/site, even I can do that', It does not strike the student that Saar knows which book/site to refer because of long hours spent on reference and research! Here are the common statements made by students: I know C language, teach me Kernel programming I know basic PHP, teach me PEAR I know basic this ... teach me advanced that .... the student knows every thing without having coded anything! Having worked with MS-Assembler, BASIC, Cobol, C/C++, Clipper, Delphi, Java, C#, TCL/TK, Python and more during the last decade or so I am now focussed on core computing training/consulting for companies into realtime systems and software products using C/C++. How many today even know or bother about C/C++ the very base of software science today? They say its dead! Within last three months I have delivered training in C/C++ related topics to companies such as Siemens, Safran Aerospace, Wipro, Accenture and more. All my training and material were developed on GNU Debian Etch. Templatized Data Structures, GOF Design Patterns in C/C++, Template Metaprogramming and STL, Boost C/C++ Libraries. ColdFusion MX 8, Rational Rose Realtime 7.0 and more. Unless students and teachers focus on acquire a passion for knowledge with the strong belief that knowledge is power, PHPs, Pythons, Javas and Rubies will come and go, but our students will always be equal to India's primary contribution to the world - the number 0! regards, Ashok Shenoy. --- On Fri, 1/2/09, cherian mt <[email protected]> wrote: > From: cherian mt <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Academic Projects And PHP- suggestion > To: "GPL SoftwareThis List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU" > <[email protected]> > Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 4:51 AM > make a poster saying that guidance will be given for > academic projects send it to colleges, put in prominent > places students will contact you > > http://www.alappuzhaonline.com > Alappuzha - The most beautiful place in Kerala > state, India, also called the Venice of the East > > http://www.keralatravelandtourism.in/ > Kerala, state in India. One of the 50 must see > destinations of a lifetime ...............National > Geographic Traveller > > > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Jain Johny <[email protected]> > wrote: > > From: Jain Johny <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Academic Projects And PHP > To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU, GPL > Software" <[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 11:09 PM > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > I heard that college of engg kidangoor doesnt support FOSS > much. They dont use/recommend linux. They dont allow > students to do mini project in PHP saying that it is a very > complex language. > > college office contact: 04822 256056 > > > > On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Sameer Mohamed Thahir > <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Thursday 25 December 2008 06:19 PM, Gejo Paul wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > I guess conduct the alternative monthly meetings on eng/MCA > colleges will create a very good relation with students > and community, > > > I do not think conducting monthly meetings of ILUG Cochin > at different places is good, > > But there can be meetings, seminars or discussions > otherwise. > > Lot of colleges have already invited ILUG Cochin for > seminars > > and presentations. > > > ILUG -Cochin chapter should work as a mentor for > Eng/Graduate students.we have a lot of volunteers who are > having experience/knowledge in this domain. > > > Yes its a good idea, but first we need to make students > understand of > > the community framework, so that they can come forward > rather than > > we push them. > > > > Besides a lot of volunteers in ILUG Cochin have mentored > students > > from different parts of Ernakulam. But unfortunately we do > not have > > any record or archive of the project/ assignment they have > done. > > > > I think its very important to archive ideas and projects so > that we > > have a pool of them which will be referenced by students. > > > > > Regards > > Gejo Paul > > > Thank You > > > > Regards > > Sameer Mohamed Thahir > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Sameer Mohamed Thahir > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > Hello All, > > > > I believe its the Free Software community that needs > to be involved. > > > > We need free software groups in colleges and schools > that can > > think independently, there should not be any > restriction of an > > organization or a group. > > > > Freedom should exist, not just for name sake.. > > > > > > Thank You > > Regards > > Sameer Mohamed Thahir > > > > > > On Monday 22 December 2008 01:30 PM, cherian mt > wrote: > > > > as far as i know there are active chapters of > csi in > > trivandrum and kochi. > > regarding student chapters some of the office > bearers of these > > chapters will be able to provide details. we > can also > > encourage them to form chapters. > > > > Region VII > > > > Ms. U. Mini > > > > Systems Manager, > > > > Cochin University of Science & Technology, > Kochi – 682022. Kerala > > > > Email : mini_ u @ cusat.ac.in > <http://cusat.ac.in>; > > [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> ; > > [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > > > Mobile no. 098472 89382 > > > > *National Student Coordinator:* > > > > * * > > > > Mr. Bipin V. Mehta > > > > Fellow, CSI and > > > > Director ,AES Institute of Computer Studies > > > > H.L. College Campus, PO Box; 4206, > > > > Navrangpura, > > > > Ahmedabad – 380 009. > > > > Tel.: 079-2646 7760, 26402987 Email: > [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> ; > [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > > > > > > > the issues regarding students is > > > > how many are genuinely interested in doing > projects? may be > > 25% in a class. > > > > knowledge of students in programming will be > limited when > > they are in college only after they get out > will they > > understand better ( this is the case with all > courses) by the > > time the project time is over. > > > > the top priority of students is to score well > in their exam. ( > > cut off to get into a company) > > > > in any case if they get into a company the > company trains them. > > > > regards > > cherian > > > > > > > > *http://www.alappuzhaonline.com* > > <http://www.alappuzhaonline.com/>* > > > > * > > *Alappuzha* - The most beautiful place in > Kerala, also > > called the Venice of the East > > > > http://www.keralatravelandtourism.in/ > > *Kerala*, state in India. One of the > 50 must see > > destinations of a lifetime > ...............National Geographic > > Traveller > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 12/22/08, .Kenney Jacob > /<[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>>/* > wrote: > > > > > > From: .Kenney Jacob > <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Academic > Projects And PHP > > To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux > & GNU, GPL Software" > > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 12:59 PM > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > I know a few people from CSI Trivandrum. > But how many colleges > > have CSI presence. My college didnt have. > > > > http://www.kenneyjacob.com > > Kenney Jacob > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 12:55 PM, cherian > mt > > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > </mc/[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote: > > > > are any of ilug members members of > computer society of > > india? > > csi has student chapters in a > number of colleges and they > > are coordinators who are > coordinating the activities > > of these > > chapters. good place to start off. > > regards > > cherian m t > > > > > > *http://www.alappuzhaonline.com* > > > > <http://www.alappuzhaonline.com/>* > > * > > *Alappuzha* - The most beautiful > place in Kerala, also > > called the Venice of the East > > > > http://www.keralatravelandtourism.in/ > > *Kerala*, state in India. > One of the 50 must see > > destinations of a lifetime > ...............National > > Geographic > > Traveller > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 12/21/08, .Kenney Jacob > > /<[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > </mc/[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>>>/* > wrote: > > > > > > From: .Kenney Jacob > <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > </mc/[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>>> > > > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] > Academic Projects > > And PHP > > To: "This List discusses > GNU/Linux & GNU, GPL Software" > > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > </mc/[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]>>> > > > > Date: Sunday, December 21, > 2008, 12:57 AM > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment > Follows----- > > > > > > Thats well said. Lets do the > mailing part. That > > would be > > really great. > > > > http://www.kenneyjacob.com > > Kenney Jacob > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:10 > PM, Sameer Mohamed Thahir > > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > <http://mc/[email protected]>> > wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > > > On Friday 19 December > 2008 12:46 PM, .Kenney > > Jacob wrote: > > > > Every large scale > change starts with awareness. > > > > I agree > > > > Students should be > aware of their freedom to > > choose their own > topics. > > > > It is not only about > topics, freedom in a broader > > sense is being lost in > academics on the whole, > > Of course, there needs to > be a starting point > > which is > > this. > > > > If this issue gets > noticed by the academic > > community, we can > push for a circular from the > > university. For > that to happen, this needs > > to be > > discussed > throughout the community. > > > > What I feel can be done > > - Create a pool of > project ideas ( there are a > > lot of > > Free Software Projects on > the > > Internet at different > stages of development, we > > need > > to create a sort of > legend for > > students , > > - Create a page on the > Internet that will serve > > as a > > reference to teachers, > > so that they are > convinced of the scope of the > > project > > and how it can do good > > to the student, college > and most important the > > "Community". > > - Once projects are > completed they are uploaded > > to the > > website and also > > are presented and spoken > of at events and Community > > group meetings > > (like ILUG Cochin), and > the project will > > develop wings. > > - This will serve as an > example and lesson for the > > other students as well > > and then we have a whole > lot of useful software > > created by the students > > for the community. > > > > - The Web page also needs > information from the > > normal > > users and business > > people, so that they can > put in their requirements > > into the page so that > > it becomes " a self > sustaining community". > > > > - Finally let us begin > upon, and reiterate on > > what is > > the aim of an > > academic project in our > society and again " the > > free > > software community". > > Many times students do > not know what path they > > need to > > take to create > > something useful for the > society. > > > > We need to draft an open > letter to all educational > > institutions > > which states what an > academic projects means to the > > society and how > > important is the freedom > for students to pursue > > their > > own interests and how > > they can guide them to > the right path. > > > > There are lot of teachers > and academicians in the > > Mailing List. I believe > > we can get lot of > information from them. :) > > > > > > > > Thank You > > > > Regards > > Sameer Mohamed Thahir > > > > > > > > -- > Regards, > Jain M Johny > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Mailinglist mailing list > [email protected] > http://ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailinglist mailing list > [email protected] > http://ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org _______________________________________________ Mailinglist mailing list [email protected] http://ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org
