Its about the interest to learn. Students might want to do kernal programming and stuff on the first day itself, but thats a good trend. Thats what makes them go forward. Some might frop, but a very small percentage will make it and that how it works.
http://www.kenneyjacob.com Kenney Jacob On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Ashok Shenoy <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello, > > This academic project discussion has been going on for quite some time! > > How many students will write code for the sake of creativity, intrest etc? > > VERY VERY FEW! > > Most want to use IT as a vehicle to riches. > > Being a computer assembler, network engineer, freelance programmer, > consultant and corporate trainer since 1990 without any formal degree > in computer science I can safely say I have seen a lot of aspiring IT > professionals in my time and written/helped write projects for students. > > Pre 2000 before the IT industry hit India in a big way, most students > went for computer degrees out of intrest, they contributed a lot to > their own project, I helped many of them with R & D and code prototyping. > Today these guys are in the top ranks of their companies. > > After trying to get students interested in core programming and getting > my reputation badly bruised and becoming poorer by a good amount of cash, > I have wound up my institute. > > My former students post 2005, some even connected to the LUG, now say I > don't know Linux programming, kernel or otherwise! > > My methodology of training was to explain a concept, write some code > to get them started and provide them with books, printouts etc, rather than > follow up on this foundation these guys stare at the PC for some time, flip > the pages of the book and then say 'Saar, I have finished that, what > next?'. > > Tell me, is Saar expected to know the complete Linux Kernel API extempore? > If Saar refers to some book/site to clarify a doubt they say 'Saar is > reading from book/site, even I can do that', It does not strike the student > that Saar knows which book/site to refer because of long hours spent on > reference and research! > > Here are the common statements made by students: > > I know C language, teach me Kernel programming > > I know basic PHP, teach me PEAR > > I know basic this ... teach me advanced that .... > > the student knows every thing without having coded anything! > > Having worked with MS-Assembler, BASIC, Cobol, C/C++, Clipper, Delphi, > Java, C#, TCL/TK, Python and more during the last decade or so I am > now focussed on core computing training/consulting for companies into > realtime systems and software products using C/C++. > > How many today even know or bother about C/C++ the very base of software > science today? They say its dead! Within last three months I have delivered > training in C/C++ related topics to companies such as Siemens, Safran > Aerospace, Wipro, Accenture and more. > > All my training and material were developed on GNU Debian Etch. > > Templatized Data Structures, GOF Design Patterns in C/C++, Template > Metaprogramming and STL, Boost C/C++ Libraries. ColdFusion MX 8, Rational > Rose Realtime 7.0 and more. > > Unless students and teachers focus on acquire a passion for knowledge with > the strong belief that knowledge is power, PHPs, Pythons, Javas and Rubies > will come and go, but our students will always be equal to India's primary > contribution to the world - the number 0! > > regards, > > Ashok Shenoy. > > > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, cherian mt <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: cherian mt <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Academic Projects And PHP- suggestion > > To: "GPL SoftwareThis List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU" < > [email protected]> > > Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 4:51 AM > > make a poster saying that guidance will be given for > > academic projects send it to colleges, put in prominent > > places students will contact you > > > > http://www.alappuzhaonline.com > > Alappuzha - The most beautiful place in Kerala > > state, India, also called the Venice of the East > > > > http://www.keralatravelandtourism.in/ > > Kerala, state in India. One of the 50 must see > > destinations of a lifetime ...............National > > Geographic Traveller > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Jain Johny <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > From: Jain Johny <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Academic Projects And PHP > > To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU, GPL > > Software" <[email protected]> > > Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 11:09 PM > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > I heard that college of engg kidangoor doesnt support FOSS > > much. They dont use/recommend linux. They dont allow > > students to do mini project in PHP saying that it is a very > > complex language. > > > > college office contact: 04822 256056 > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Sameer Mohamed Thahir > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Thursday 25 December 2008 06:19 PM, Gejo Paul wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > I guess conduct the alternative monthly meetings on eng/MCA > > colleges will create a very good relation with students > > and community, > > > > > > I do not think conducting monthly meetings of ILUG Cochin > > at different places is good, > > > > But there can be meetings, seminars or discussions > > otherwise. > > > > Lot of colleges have already invited ILUG Cochin for > > seminars > > > > and presentations. > > > > > > ILUG -Cochin chapter should work as a mentor for > > Eng/Graduate students.we have a lot of volunteers who are > > having experience/knowledge in this domain. > > > > > > Yes its a good idea, but first we need to make students > > understand of > > > > the community framework, so that they can come forward > > rather than > > > > we push them. > > > > > > > > Besides a lot of volunteers in ILUG Cochin have mentored > > students > > > > from different parts of Ernakulam. But unfortunately we do > > not have > > > > any record or archive of the project/ assignment they have > > done. > > > > > > > > I think its very important to archive ideas and projects so > > that we > > > > have a pool of them which will be referenced by students. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Gejo Paul > > > > > > Thank You > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Sameer Mohamed Thahir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Sameer Mohamed Thahir > > <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > > > I believe its the Free Software community that needs > > to be involved. > > > > > > > > We need free software groups in colleges and schools > > that can > > > > think independently, there should not be any > > restriction of an > > > > organization or a group. > > > > > > > > Freedom should exist, not just for name sake.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You > > > > Regards > > > > Sameer Mohamed Thahir > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday 22 December 2008 01:30 PM, cherian mt > > wrote: > > > > > > > > as far as i know there are active chapters of > > csi in > > > > trivandrum and kochi. > > > > regarding student chapters some of the office > > bearers of these > > > > chapters will be able to provide details. we > > can also > > > > encourage them to form chapters. > > > > > > > > Region VII > > > > > > > > Ms. U. Mini > > > > > > > > Systems Manager, > > > > > > > > Cochin University of Science & Technology, > > Kochi – 682022. Kerala > > > > > > > > Email : mini_ u @ cusat.ac.in > > <http://cusat.ac.in>; > > > > [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> ; > > > > [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mobile no. 098472 89382 > > > > > > > > *National Student Coordinator:* > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > Mr. Bipin V. Mehta > > > > > > > > Fellow, CSI and > > > > > > > > Director ,AES Institute of Computer Studies > > > > > > > > H.L. College Campus, PO Box; 4206, > > > > > > > > Navrangpura, > > > > > > > > Ahmedabad – 380 009. > > > > > > > > Tel.: 079-2646 7760, 26402987 Email: > > [email protected] > > > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> ; > > [email protected] > > > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the issues regarding students is > > > > > > > > how many are genuinely interested in doing > > projects? may be > > > > 25% in a class. > > > > > > > > knowledge of students in programming will be > > limited when > > > > they are in college only after they get out > > will they > > > > understand better ( this is the case with all > > courses) by the > > > > time the project time is over. > > > > > > > > the top priority of students is to score well > > in their exam. ( > > > > cut off to get into a company) > > > > > > > > in any case if they get into a company the > > company trains them. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > cherian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *http://www.alappuzhaonline.com* > > > > <http://www.alappuzhaonline.com/>* > > > > > > > > * > > > > *Alappuzha* - The most beautiful place in > > Kerala, also > > > > called the Venice of the East > > > > > > > > http://www.keralatravelandtourism.in/ > > > > *Kerala*, state in India. One of the > > 50 must see > > > > destinations of a lifetime > > ...............National Geographic > > > > Traveller > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 12/22/08, .Kenney Jacob > > /<[email protected] > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>>/* > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: .Kenney Jacob > > <[email protected] > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Academic > > Projects And PHP > > > > To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux > > & GNU, GPL Software" > > > > <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > > > Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 12:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > > > > > I know a few people from CSI Trivandrum. > > But how many colleges > > > > have CSI presence. My college didnt have. > > > > > > > > http://www.kenneyjacob.com > > > > Kenney Jacob > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 12:55 PM, cherian > > mt > > > > <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > </mc/[email protected] > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > are any of ilug members members of > > computer society of > > > > india? > > > > csi has student chapters in a > > number of colleges and they > > > > are coordinators who are > > coordinating the activities > > > > of these > > > > chapters. good place to start off. > > > > regards > > > > cherian m t > > > > > > > > > > > > *http://www.alappuzhaonline.com* > > > > > > > > <http://www.alappuzhaonline.com/>* > > > > * > > > > *Alappuzha* - The most beautiful > > place in Kerala, also > > > > called the Venice of the East > > > > > > > > http://www.keralatravelandtourism.in/ > > > > *Kerala*, state in India. > > One of the 50 must see > > > > destinations of a lifetime > > ...............National > > > > Geographic > > > > Traveller > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 12/21/08, .Kenney Jacob > > > > /<[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > </mc/[email protected] > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>>>/* > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: .Kenney Jacob > > <[email protected] > > > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > </mc/[email protected] > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] > > Academic Projects > > > > And PHP > > > > To: "This List discusses > > GNU/Linux & GNU, GPL Software" > > > > <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > > > </mc/[email protected] > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>>> > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, December 21, > > 2008, 12:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment > > Follows----- > > > > > > > > > > > > Thats well said. Lets do the > > mailing part. That > > > > would be > > > > really great. > > > > > > > > http://www.kenneyjacob.com > > > > Kenney Jacob > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:10 > > PM, Sameer Mohamed Thahir > > > > <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > > > > > <http://mc/[email protected]>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday 19 December > > 2008 12:46 PM, .Kenney > > > > Jacob wrote: > > > > > > > > Every large scale > > change starts with awareness. > > > > > > > > I agree > > > > > > > > Students should be > > aware of their freedom to > > > > choose their own > > topics. > > > > > > > > It is not only about > > topics, freedom in a broader > > > > sense is being lost in > > academics on the whole, > > > > Of course, there needs to > > be a starting point > > > > which is > > > > this. > > > > > > > > If this issue gets > > noticed by the academic > > > > community, we can > > push for a circular from the > > > > university. For > > that to happen, this needs > > > > to be > > > > discussed > > throughout the community. > > > > > > > > What I feel can be done > > > > - Create a pool of > > project ideas ( there are a > > > > lot of > > > > Free Software Projects on > > the > > > > Internet at different > > stages of development, we > > > > need > > > > to create a sort of > > legend for > > > > students , > > > > - Create a page on the > > Internet that will serve > > > > as a > > > > reference to teachers, > > > > so that they are > > convinced of the scope of the > > > > project > > > > and how it can do good > > > > to the student, college > > and most important the > > > > "Community". > > > > - Once projects are > > completed they are uploaded > > > > to the > > > > website and also > > > > are presented and spoken > > of at events and Community > > > > group meetings > > > > (like ILUG Cochin), and > > the project will > > > > develop wings. > > > > - This will serve as an > > example and lesson for the > > > > other students as well > > > > and then we have a whole > > lot of useful software > > > > created by the students > > > > for the community. > > > > > > > > - The Web page also needs > > information from the > > > > normal > > > > users and business > > > > people, so that they can > > put in their requirements > > > > into the page so that > > > > it becomes " a self > > sustaining community". > > > > > > > > - Finally let us begin > > upon, and reiterate on > > > > what is > > > > the aim of an > > > > academic project in our > > society and again " the > > > > free > > > > software community". > > > > Many times students do > > not know what path they > > > > need to > > > > take to create > > > > something useful for the > > society. > > > > > > > > We need to draft an open > > letter to all educational > > > > institutions > > > > which states what an > > academic projects means to the > > > > society and how > > > > important is the freedom > > for students to pursue > > > > their > > > > own interests and how > > > > they can guide them to > > the right path. > > > > > > > > There are lot of teachers > > and academicians in the > > > > Mailing List. I believe > > > > we can get lot of > > information from them. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Sameer Mohamed Thahir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Jain M Johny > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailinglist mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailinglist mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailinglist mailing list > [email protected] > http://ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org >
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