Hello Ashok,
I think you have made valid points here, but...
On Friday 02 January 2009 01:38 PM, Ashok Shenoy wrote:
Hello,
This academic project discussion has been going on for quite some time!
How many students will write code for the sake of creativity, intrest etc?
VERY VERY FEW!
Most want to use IT as a vehicle to riches.
Being a computer assembler, network engineer, freelance programmer, consultant
and corporate trainer since 1990 without any formal degree
in computer science I can safely say I have seen a lot of aspiring IT
professionals in my time and written/helped write projects for students.
Pre 2000 before the IT industry hit India in a big way, most students
went for computer degrees out of intrest, they contributed a lot to
their own project, I helped many of them with R& D and code prototyping. Today
these guys are in the top ranks of their companies.
After trying to get students interested in core programming and getting
my reputation badly bruised and becoming poorer by a good amount of cash,
I have wound up my institute.
My former students post 2005, some even connected to the LUG, now say I don't
know Linux programming, kernel or otherwise!
Who is this connected to LUG, everyone single person coming to the
meeting is connected to
ILUG Cochin and a member of the community.
I mean, not only for this mail, blaming Free Software groups and/or the
community in the
context of Individuals is real bad.
My methodology of training was to explain a concept, write some code
to get them started and provide them with books, printouts etc, rather than
follow up on this foundation these guys stare at the PC for some time, flip the
pages of the book and then say 'Saar, I have finished that, what
next?'.
Tell me, is Saar expected to know the complete Linux Kernel API extempore?
If Saar refers to some book/site to clarify a doubt they say 'Saar is reading
from book/site, even I can do that', It does not strike the student that Saar
knows which book/site to refer because of long hours spent on reference and
research!
Here are the common statements made by students:
I know C language, teach me Kernel programming
I know basic PHP, teach me PEAR
I know basic this ... teach me advanced that ....
the student knows every thing without having coded anything!
Having worked with MS-Assembler, BASIC, Cobol, C/C++, Clipper, Delphi,
Java, C#, TCL/TK, Python and more during the last decade or so I am
now focussed on core computing training/consulting for companies into realtime
systems and software products using C/C++.
How many today even know or bother about C/C++ the very base of software
science today? They say its dead! Within last three months I have delivered
training in C/C++ related topics to companies such as Siemens, Safran
Aerospace, Wipro, Accenture and more.
All my training and material were developed on GNU Debian Etch.
Templatized Data Structures, GOF Design Patterns in C/C++, Template
Metaprogramming and STL, Boost C/C++ Libraries. ColdFusion MX 8, Rational Rose
Realtime 7.0 and more.
Unless students and teachers focus on acquire a passion for knowledge with the
strong belief that knowledge is power, PHPs, Pythons, Javas and Rubies will
come and go, but our students will always be equal to India's primary
contribution to the world - the number 0!
regards,
Ashok Shenoy.
Thank You
Regards
Sameer Mohamed Thahir
--- On Fri, 1/2/09, cherian mt<[email protected]> wrote:
From: cherian mt<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Academic Projects And PHP- suggestion
To: "GPL SoftwareThis List discusses GNU/Linux&
GNU"<[email protected]>
Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 4:51 AM
make a poster saying that guidance will be given for
academic projects send it to colleges, put in prominent
places students will contact you
http://www.alappuzhaonline.com
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state, India, also called the Venice of the East
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--- On Thu, 1/1/09, Jain Johny<[email protected]>
wrote:
From: Jain Johny<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Academic Projects And PHP
To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux& GNU, GPL
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Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 11:09 PM
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I heard that college of engg kidangoor doesnt support FOSS
much. They dont use/recommend linux. They dont allow
students to do mini project in PHP saying that it is a very
complex language.
college office contact: 04822 256056
On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Sameer Mohamed Thahir
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Thursday 25 December 2008 06:19 PM, Gejo Paul wrote:
Dear All,
I guess conduct the alternative monthly meetings on eng/MCA
colleges will create a very good relation with students
and community,
I do not think conducting monthly meetings of ILUG Cochin
at different places is good,
But there can be meetings, seminars or discussions
otherwise.
Lot of colleges have already invited ILUG Cochin for
seminars
and presentations.
ILUG -Cochin chapter should work as a mentor for
Eng/Graduate students.we have a lot of volunteers who are
having experience/knowledge in this domain.
Yes its a good idea, but first we need to make students
understand of
the community framework, so that they can come forward
rather than
we push them.
Besides a lot of volunteers in ILUG Cochin have mentored
students
from different parts of Ernakulam. But unfortunately we do
not have
any record or archive of the project/ assignment they have
done.
I think its very important to archive ideas and projects so
that we
have a pool of them which will be referenced by students.
Regards
Gejo Paul
Thank You
Regards
Sameer Mohamed Thahir
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Sameer Mohamed Thahir
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hello All,
I believe its the Free Software community that needs
to be involved.
We need free software groups in colleges and schools
that can
think independently, there should not be any
restriction of an
organization or a group.
Freedom should exist, not just for name sake..
Thank You
Regards
Sameer Mohamed Thahir
On Monday 22 December 2008 01:30 PM, cherian mt
wrote:
as far as i know there are active chapters of
csi in
trivandrum and kochi.
regarding student chapters some of the office
bearers of these
chapters will be able to provide details. we
can also
encourage them to form chapters.
Region VII
Ms. U. Mini
Systems Manager,
Cochin University of Science& Technology,
Kochi – 682022. Kerala
Email : mini_ u @ cusat.ac.in
<http://cusat.ac.in>;
[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> ;
[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Mobile no. 098472 89382
*National Student Coordinator:*
* *
Mr. Bipin V. Mehta
Fellow, CSI and
Director ,AES Institute of Computer Studies
H.L. College Campus, PO Box; 4206,
Navrangpura,
Ahmedabad – 380 009.
Tel.: 079-2646 7760, 26402987 Email:
[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> ;
[email protected]
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the issues regarding students is
how many are genuinely interested in doing
projects? may be
25% in a class.
knowledge of students in programming will be
limited when
they are in college only after they get out
will they
understand better ( this is the case with all
courses) by the
time the project time is over.
the top priority of students is to score well
in their exam. (
cut off to get into a company)
in any case if they get into a company the
company trains them.
regards
cherian
*http://www.alappuzhaonline.com*
<http://www.alappuzhaonline.com/>*
*
*Alappuzha* - The most beautiful place in
Kerala, also
called the Venice of the East
http://www.keralatravelandtourism.in/
*Kerala*, state in India. One of the
50 must see
destinations of a lifetime
...............National Geographic
Traveller
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From: .Kenney Jacob
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Academic
Projects And PHP
To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux
& GNU, GPL Software"
<[email protected]
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Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 12:59 PM
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I know a few people from CSI Trivandrum.
But how many colleges
have CSI presence. My college didnt have.
http://www.kenneyjacob.com
Kenney Jacob
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 12:55 PM, cherian
mt
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
</mc/[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
wrote:
are any of ilug members members of
computer society of
india?
csi has student chapters in a
number of colleges and they
are coordinators who are
coordinating the activities
of these
chapters. good place to start off.
regards
cherian m t
*http://www.alappuzhaonline.com*
<http://www.alappuzhaonline.com/>*
*
*Alappuzha* - The most beautiful
place in Kerala, also
called the Venice of the East
http://www.keralatravelandtourism.in/
*Kerala*, state in India.
One of the 50 must see
destinations of a lifetime
...............National
Geographic
Traveller
--- On *Sun, 12/21/08, .Kenney Jacob
/<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
</mc/[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>/*
wrote:
From: .Kenney Jacob
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
</mc/[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org]
Academic Projects
And PHP
To: "This List discusses
GNU/Linux& GNU, GPL Software"
<[email protected]
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</mc/[email protected]
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Date: Sunday, December 21,
2008, 12:57 AM
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Thats well said. Lets do the
mailing part. That
would be
really great.
http://www.kenneyjacob.com
Kenney Jacob
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:10
PM, Sameer Mohamed Thahir
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<http://mc/[email protected]>>
wrote:
Hello All,
On Friday 19 December
2008 12:46 PM, .Kenney
Jacob wrote:
Every large scale
change starts with awareness.
I agree
Students should be
aware of their freedom to
choose their own
topics.
It is not only about
topics, freedom in a broader
sense is being lost in
academics on the whole,
Of course, there needs to
be a starting point
which is
this.
If this issue gets
noticed by the academic
community, we can
push for a circular from the
university. For
that to happen, this needs
to be
discussed
throughout the community.
What I feel can be done
- Create a pool of
project ideas ( there are a
lot of
Free Software Projects on
the
Internet at different
stages of development, we
need
to create a sort of
legend for
students ,
- Create a page on the
Internet that will serve
as a
reference to teachers,
so that they are
convinced of the scope of the
project
and how it can do good
to the student, college
and most important the
"Community".
- Once projects are
completed they are uploaded
to the
website and also
are presented and spoken
of at events and Community
group meetings
(like ILUG Cochin), and
the project will
develop wings.
- This will serve as an
example and lesson for the
other students as well
and then we have a whole
lot of useful software
created by the students
for the community.
- The Web page also needs
information from the
normal
users and business
people, so that they can
put in their requirements
into the page so that
it becomes " a self
sustaining community".
- Finally let us begin
upon, and reiterate on
what is
the aim of an
academic project in our
society and again " the
free
software community".
Many times students do
not know what path they
need to
take to create
something useful for the
society.
We need to draft an open
letter to all educational
institutions
which states what an
academic projects means to the
society and how
important is the freedom
for students to pursue
their
own interests and how
they can guide them to
the right path.
There are lot of teachers
and academicians in the
Mailing List. I believe
we can get lot of
information from them. :)
Thank You
Regards
Sameer Mohamed Thahir
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