> >
> > Not debating the technical merits of *BSDs.
> >
>
> So you acknowledge you can't debate that?
No. Because I haven't used a BSD too in-depth to judge that. I've read
reviews/blogs.
But yes, I've attempted live-cds, one time poked around DragonFlyBSD etc, once
tried FreeBSD in qemu. But that's just it.
> >You can argue how they continue to
> > superior to GNU.
> >
>
> Forget my argument! What is the truth?
I can't say for sure. The Truth, for me, is GNU definitely has an edge.
License-wise, and code-wise.
>
> > Just consider popularity? BSDs vs. GNU/Linux?
> >
>
> Is popularity everything? The the Proprietary MS Windows wins isn't it?
Too many people use Windows, but I doubt its 'popular'. They use it while
cursing it simultaneously. Those who want to and are willing to swim against
the
waves, try alternatives, and discover gems.
> At this point Let me bother asking you about your Technical knowledge?
> In which all domains have you used Computers?
That is irrelevant to the point we are discussing. I don't want to go into,
"aha, I have done that, but you haven't, so whatever I say is right and you're
outright wrong" argument.
> What all have you done with computers with a production basis?
> I want to give my reply according to your back ground and knowledge
I'm curious. If I want to know how something works, I care enough to open the
lids and poke inside. I read manuals. In couple of cases, I've taken out and
put
pieces together.
You may make your arguments. I'll ask if there's anything I don't understand.
Fair enough?
>
> I didn't get the "it" in the above sentence. Could you please Explain "it"?
>
Sorry, by 'it' I meant support of developers. Adding features? So much to the
point of adding stuff only layman would find helpful, not technical
extravagance.
>
> Growth in terms of Technology?
> or
I think GNU outgrew the insistence of POSIX limitations. Like assuming a
fileblock is ONLY 512K etc? Or a programme can't read more than 1MB at a time
to
a buffer? Enlighten me, does BSDs adhere to POSIX too much?
> Growth in terms of Features? Usefulness?
> or
USB support? Plug and play hardware? Layman-easing GUIs?
True, these were all successfully ported to BSDs, but why didn't BSDs earn it
first if BSDL was all too inviting?
> Growth in terms of the No. of users using it?
>
Why did the graph for BSD users were kinda flat while GNU/Linux users shot up
in
late 2000s and continue to grow upward?
Hackablitity factor, anyone?
> So how did GPL help in these three areas of Growth? And BSDL adversely
> affect the BSDs?
Good PR? GNU folks chose to educate people about issues of freedom, than sit
and
wait for people to come to them based on clean and meritorious code.
I've nothing against BSDs. Competition is good, etc. But BSD people seem to
display the same adamant and fanatic adherence to their status quo.
Same way, you're not giving up this debate.
>
> > GPL invites everyone to contribute, making it easy for them to write
> > modifications without fear of their work getting locked up. BSDs kinda
>invite
> > only programmers to hack on, who mostly write stuff just because what they
> >
>write
> > is technically challenging?
> >
>
> No, there is no special invitation for any one in either of the 2 projects.
If you don't see it. Open your mind and step outside to look at it from a
distance.
I don't know where, but somewhere I read OpenBSD's motto is "Fix security bugs
and ignore everything else". Being too secure is Good{tm}. But is it?
> > The viral quality is a feature, not a bug!
> >
>
> Let us discuss this! Let us list the Features Linux has and BSDs lack!
> Now the Discussion is getting Technical.
Let me an attempt. Hmm..
* Support for 'modern' hardware? ACPI? Suspend/resume? Binary, installable
packages? (in my limited knowledge, BSD sw need to be compiled? correct me, if
I'm wrong)
* Linux community being, tinkering-crowd friendly? SquashFS? BtrFS? Kolivas' SD
scheduler? And a superior VFS facility? Does BSDs even have a journalled
filesystem? I'm asking because I want to know.
* Frequent releases, and too many people willing to find bugs?
* The guts to go out of the way, where necessary, than sticking on to
conventions and traditions? Upstart? and the newer SystemMD?
I don't know how much truth there's in the old Net saying "Linux is for people
who hate windows, FreeBSD is for people who love Unix". But anyway, its partly
correct too.
>
> Come on, Please State the Facts. Let us be fair. Let us state our
> arguments on facts as much as we know them so please go ahead and list
> the features Linux has and BSDs are lagging behind :-)
>
> All the Best!
Thank you. I look forward to increasing my knowledge thus :)
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