On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Mahesh Aravind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> No. Because I haven't used a BSD too in-depth to judge that. I've read
> reviews/blogs.
>
> But yes, I've attempted live-cds, one time poked around
>DragonFlyBSD etc, once
> tried FreeBSD in qemu. But that's just it.
>
So I will forgive you when ever you make a false blanket statement
here after hahaha! :-)
>
> I can't say for sure. The Truth, for me, is GNU definitely has an edge.
> License-wise, and code-wise.
>
:-) Let us see. Please condsider my points carefully will you?
>
> Too many people use Windows, but I doubt its 'popular'. They use it while
> cursing it simultaneously. Those who want to and are willing to swim against
> the
> waves, try alternatives, and discover gems.
>
:-)
They may use Windows cursingly at times but most wont change to Linux
very fast! History proves it :-)
"Those who want to and are willing to swim against the waves, try
alternatives, and discover gems"
I guess you will say this only when a user migrates from Windows to
Linux and not when he migrates from Linux to BSD? Yup in that sense
GPL has an edge ;-)
>> At this point Let me bother asking you about your Technical knowledge?
>> In which all domains have you used Computers?
>
> That is irrelevant to the point we are discussing. I don't want to go into,
> "aha, I have done that, but you haven't, so whatever I say is right and you're
> outright wrong" argument.
>
I respect your privacy. But when you make public statements your
credibility is a big factor. Internet is a big place for
misinformation :-)
>> What all have you done with computers with a production basis?
>> I want to give my reply according to your back ground and knowledge
>
> I'm curious. If I want to know how something works, I care enough to open the
> lids and poke inside. I read manuals. In couple of cases, I've taken out and
> put
> pieces together.
>
> You may make your arguments. I'll ask if there's anything I don't understand.
> Fair enough?
>
Done! :-)
>>
>> I didn't get the "it" in the above sentence. Could you please Explain "it"?
>>
>
> Sorry, by 'it' I meant support of developers. Adding features? So much to the
> point of adding stuff only layman would find helpful, not technical
> extravagance.
>
I will deal with is later. It is a tpoic by itself :-)
>>
>> Growth in terms of Technology?
>> or
>
> I think GNU outgrew the insistence of POSIX limitations. Like assuming a
> fileblock is ONLY 512K etc? Or a programme can't read more than
>1MB at a time to
> a buffer?
>
We will be discussing File Systems available to Both Linux and BSD I
will explain.
>Enlighten me, does BSDs adhere to POSIX too much?
>
No! where POSIX is nonsense it is just ignored :-)
>> Growth in terms of Features? Usefulness?
>> or
>
> USB support? Plug and play hardware? Layman-easing GUIs?
>
Hmm You haven't used a BSD as a Desktop I can know from this.
> True, these were all successfully ported to BSDs, but why didn't BSDs earn it
> first if BSDL was all too inviting?
>
Let us see who earned it first and why with proof ok ?
>> Growth in terms of the No. of users using it?
>>
>
> Why did the graph for BSD users were kinda flat while
>GNU/Linux users shot up in
> late 2000s and continue to grow upward?
>
Can you please show that graph?
May be then I could explain :-)
> Hackablitity factor, anyone?
>
>> So how did GPL help in these three areas of Growth? And BSDL adversely
>> affect the BSDs?
>
> Good PR? GNU folks chose to educate people about issues of freedom,
>than sit and
> wait for people to come to them based on clean and meritorious code.
>
OK let us see what BSD folks did for freedom and what FSF did.
You can Educate me on FSF :-)
> I've nothing against BSDs. Competition is good, etc. But BSD people seem to
> display the same adamant and fanatic adherence to their status quo.
>
> Same way, you're not giving up this debate.
>
No. I am not a BSD guy. But the reason I love some thing is not enough
to mis represent something. So if I find some thing is mis represented
I nned to speak up according to the time I have I feel
>>
>> > GPL invites everyone to contribute, making it easy for them to write
>> > modifications without fear of their work getting locked up. BSDs kinda
>>invite
>> > only programmers to hack on, who mostly write stuff just because what they
>>write
>> > is technically challenging?
>> >
>>
>> No, there is no special invitation for any one in either of the 2 projects.
>
> If you don't see it. Open your mind and step outside to look at it from a
> distance.
>
I will deal with this whole block separately.
> I don't know where, but somewhere I read OpenBSD's motto is
>"Fix security bugs
> and ignore everything else". Being too secure is Good{tm}. But is it?
>
You sure read that in a blog or some thing. :-)
We will see what is the truth.
>> > The viral quality is a feature, not a bug!
>> >
ok!
>>
>> Let us discuss this! Let us list the Features Linux has and BSDs lack!
>> Now the Discussion is getting Technical.
>
> Let me an attempt. Hmm..
>
> * Support for 'modern' hardware? ACPI? Suspend/resume? Binary, installable
> packages? (in my limited knowledge, BSD sw need to be compiled? correct me, if
> I'm wrong)
>
Yes let us see.
> * Linux community being, tinkering-crowd friendly? SquashFS? BtrFS?
>Kolivas' SD
> scheduler? And a superior VFS facility?
>
I hope you know what these things are. If not tell me I can explain.
>Does BSDs even have a journalled
> filesystem? I'm asking because I want to know.
>
Hmm you don't even know that and you are telling BSD is lagging behind!!!
Your Knowledge is what is lagging behind. I guess you will admit that :-)
> * Frequent releases, and too many people willing to find bugs?
>
How freequent is the most freequent Linux releaseyou know of?
> * The guts to go out of the way, where necessary, than sticking on to
> conventions and traditions? Upstart? and the newer SystemMD?
>
Ok Let us see who really has the guts and who really succumbs to
signing NDAs with vendors.
> I don't know how much truth there's in the old Net saying "Linux is for people
> who hate windows, FreeBSD is for people who love Unix". But anyway, its partly
> correct too.
>
I beleive Linux is also for people who love Unix.
It is called Linuses Unix.
Linus said he would never have wrote Linux if there was no BSD licence
issue with At & T
>>
>> Come on, Please State the Facts. Let us be fair. Let us state our
>> arguments on facts as much as we know them so please go ahead and list
>> the features Linux has and BSDs are lagging behind :-)
>>
>> All the Best!
>
> Thank you. I look forward to increasing my knowledge thus :)
>
I will discuss these things in detailed mails.
Understanding history and facts will greatly change our notions if we
are brave enough to acknowledge the truth.
If nobody else tackle your false assumptions I will del with it one by
one from monday onwards. let us make this a learning experience.
The trouble now is "Saturdays" are exclusively for my wife.
I have got the ultimatum for sitting infront of the computer too long.
Forget BSDL and GPL I need to keep my marriage :-(
Bye, see ya on monday :-)
cheers
--Siju
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