[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>Hello. How might one configure Mailman (version 2.1.6) list settings >>using PHP scripts? >> >> > >The quick answer would be to not bother and wait until version 3 of Mailman >which will use a MySQL backend and instead manipulate that directly (if I have >been reading past discussions correctly). >
I don't mean to be a pessimist, but I don't think this will ever happen. There are a few realities when it comes to Mailman 3.0 / Mailman Integration issues: - Barry is considered to be the lead MM developer but he's a very busy guy. This is not a criticism at all, just a point of fact. - The Mailman project is not as open as it could be. There is too much control over who can contribute code, how they can do it, when they can do it. I understand wanting to maintain quality and stability, but effort and goodwill are going to waste. - Not everyone sees the need for a highly integratable MLM, despite the fact that people have been begging for it for half a decade. They beg for it on the Mailman list. They beg for it on the Sympa list. But MLM developers apparently do not work with organizations or people who see the need to integrate MLM's with other collaborative tools. MLM developers do not buy into the concept of making the three main data stores available in SQL (those being list config, member and message archives) so that one can easily get and update this data from within a Drupal, Mambo or Xaraya CMS. "Why on God's Green Earth would you want to do that?" they wonder, despite the fact that many, many people have been drooling over the thought of being able to do so for a long time now. - Backward compatability is an issue and puts the kebosh on dramatic departures from exisitng MLM versions. It sounded like Sympa was finally moving forward with SQL offerings, but when you look behind the scenes you see that they haven't made the departure, only applied patchy add-ons that simulate new behaviour but keep the old mechanisms intact. They just couldn't cut ties to "the old way." With a Mailman 3, radical changes would be needed, in my opinion, but are developers willing to have MM3 be a new, different, separate beast than MM2? I have a feeling that there is not enough wilingness to let MM3 be a fresh, new start. Personally, I think a new MLM is needed, built from the ground up, and taking into account today's wants and needs. An MLM built for the 21st century. Completely open source and well-managed by people who have the time and the inclination to do it. New Project with New Ideas and Eager People. Either MM3 needs to start happening or a new MLM project needs to be created. If some people don't have time, fine, but then loosen the reins. Let it happen. And if it comes down to money, well, some people may be surprised at the amount of funding that is available for these kinds of projects. But the projects need to be able to move forward, unencumbered by control and competing commitments. Otherwise nobody will fund it. Again, I'm not trying to throw out criticisms, just stating realities. Do developers here have any comments? Is there interest to move forward with MM3 now, one way or another? Is there interest among other parties to start a new project? Who wants to see a highly integratable MLM, and are you willing to contribute in any of these areas: design, coding, project management, documentation, funding? - Kevin . _______________________________________________ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
