This is my last response to Brad's messages (actually *these* are diatribes if anything), and I only do so to make a few things clear:
- I'm not begging for anything; I'd like to see some things come to fruition for the greater good. I have no personal stake in this, financial or otherwise. - I don't want people to "solve my problems." I see possible solutions to challenges and would like to try to help meet them. - I have seen missed opportunities to help move MM3 forward. Yes, I'm disappointed, but for entirely unselfish reasons For what it's worth, the kind of tool that I'm hoping to see--from a functional point of view--has already been created. At Bellanet (my former org.) we created something called Dgroups (see www.dgroups.org) several years ago. The problem is that it relies on commercial software (Lyris, ColdFusion, MS SQL). We wanted other international development organizations, especially in developing countries, to be able to have a dgroups for themselves. Essentially decentralize the service and build capacity in the south. But commercial software was not practical, and we really had moved toward open source policies by this point, anyway. The idea, then, had been to find/develop the same kind of tool using open source components. It didn't need to be a dozen tings thrown together, as Brad insinuated. Only three (MLM, CMS or custom PHP front end, SQL database). It didn't look like MM2 was going to cut it because of, among other things, data storage issues. So I suggested to the org. that we try to get something happening with MM3. That's when we talked to Barry, attended the sprint, etc. But when all was said and done, it just didn't work out. So, instead of a good chunk of money going to the MM3 cause, it is now going to go to some questionable attempt at integrating Sympa with something (not my decision). So, yes, I'm disappointed in the lost opportunity but for exactly two reasons: 1) it means missed resources for MM3, 2) it means that international development groups will wait longer for the tool we had hoped to provide them with. In international development, time is an issue because quicker solutions means less suffering. I have absolutely no personal stake in any of this. But having been in international development for 13 years, hoping for advances for the common good becomes second nature. Having said all of this, I should add that I went back and read my original message. Yes, I came off strong. I wish I had said things differently. It *did* sound critical. For that, I apologize. But I want you to know is that my interest is solely in the greater good and nothing else. So, go ahead, kick me in the head again if it'll make you feel better, but you should know that you completely misunderstand my motivations and my agenda. - Kevin _______________________________________________ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
