As you wish. I personally hate WordPress, as it becomes a bear to maintain over time. You also have to find somewhere to host it and someone to maintain it. I find that static sites built with something like Hugo are actually easier to maintain, but you are right that some understanding of html is usually required. Static sites also cater to distributed contribution more easily. If you use a service like Netlify, for example, all contribution can be handled through GitHub PRs and the changes can be live previewed within the pull request. Once merged, the site is automatically updated.
I am willing to support whatever direction is taken, but my personal involvement supporting a WordPress implementation will be much more limited as I don't have the time to dedicate to that sort of a rebuild. I have a ton of experience with WordPress, Drupal and the like, so I feel obligated to provide my honest opinion. You are right that minor content changes are easier for non-techies, but as soon as you want to make any structural changes or improvements, it becomes highly technical and extremely difficult. The only way to make a WordPress implementation successful, in my experience, is to have consistent technical maintenance by someone with moderate to high technical ability. You also have to actively maintain contributors within the system. Given that CloudStack is an open source Apache project, the majority of the community members are technical users of the platform, so there is a skewed technical bias within the community participation. I think ShapeBlue is the obvious exception, because they run a business around CoudStack, rather than CloudStack just being a piece of a bigger business. ShapeBlue may have staff with skills capable of maintaining something like this, and the contextual interest in investing their paid resources time, but I don't think the majority of the community has the luxury of dedicating this type of profile to focus on CloudStack. Giles, I hope you don't mind me mentioning ShapeBlue in this way. You and your team have remained a constant in the community and your CloudStack focused team has a much more diverse set of skills than most strong contributors in the community. For example, if I compare to Simon's team at ENA, they have been strong contributors for a long time but their team is much more technical and operations focused, which I think is more common in the CloudStack community based on my experience. The reason I raise this is because contribution will naturally wax and wane within the community based on the different organization's ability to fund contribution. Given the fact that WordPress requires dedicated maintenance over time, my concern is that the community will have a much harder time maintaining it with a rotating group of contributors. As an individual contributor, my contribution has waxed and waned over the years and I am not in a good position to represent the needs and capabilities of the current community. I don't know if what I laid out here resonates with the group, so please take it with a grain of salt if you see things differently. Cheers, Will On Sat., May 22, 2021, 5:18 a.m. Sunando Bhattacharya, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Will, > > I think it's best to set up the site afresh using WordPress as it would be > far easier to administer for a non-tech person. Moreover, WordPress also > has readymade plugins for the virtual event and Webinar platforms, which > will make the event setup much easier. > > Want do you think Ivet? > > Best, > > Sunando > www.indiqus.com > +91 97111 52299 > > *Book my time for a call here > <https://t.sidekickopen45.com/s3t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7kv8bWL06W1M6vxk59hl3kW7_k2842Qy2TxW7XLCJP7blRHjN83GqGkDyk8yf8bQQB202?te=W3R5hFj4cm2zwW3F4Fph41QWmBW1JxwY51LDLyRf3zdYTm04&si=5666632314912768&pi=b39b9ed8-71b1-4341-dec1-f2b7cc7261c2> > * > > > On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 12:03 AM Will Stevens <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hey Ivet, >> It is built using Hugo (https://gohugo.io/), which produces a static >> website. >> >> The different site repositories are here: >> https://github.com/cloudops/?q=cloudstackcollab >> >> The `cloudstackcollab.org` repo is a simple landing page site which >> basically references all of the upcoming CCC events (the subdomain sites). >> Then each event gets their own site. The `us.cloudstackcollab.org` repo >> has seen the most activity over the years and is likely a good starting >> point. >> >> Currently, I am personally hosting the sites, but we could change that. >> I could potentially host it via a `gh-pages` branch in the same repo if >> that is preferred. We could also move these sites to the apache org if >> that is desired, but I suspect there will be some red tape in making that >> happen. I am happy to deploy the updates to the current hosting if that is >> desirable for the short term anyway. >> >> The easiest way to get started would be to clone one or two of the repos >> and get them working locally on your system by setting up Hugo. From >> there, we can potentially handle the content / site changes through PRs >> which I can then merge and deploy. That is probably the shortest path, but >> I happy to accomodate if we would like to approach this differently. >> >> Let me know if/when you have questions. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Will >> >> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 10:13 AM Ivet Petrova <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Will, >>> >>> I am volunteering to make updates there if you agree. >>> Looks like not WorPress. Is it plain HTML? >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 21 May 2021, at 17:07, Will Stevens <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Yes, I have not been as active in the community as I once was. I am >>> happy to support the CloudStack Collab website as I have in the past, but I >>> am also willing to get someone else setup to take over if someone is >>> interested. >>> >>> I will try to stay on top of the CCC communications so I am not a >>> bottleneck for progress. :) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Will >>> >>> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 7:43 AM Giles Sirett <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Ivet – I think that is a GREAT idea. I’d love to see it happen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Obviously, you have experience in organising virtual events, so I wont >>>> try to offer any advice on that, but here’s a couple of things you would >>>> need to think about >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. Permission to use the trademark. >>>> Officially there’s nothing to stop you (or anybody) organising an >>>> event at any time. The only official thing you need to do is ask the PMC >>>> for permission to use the ACS trademark. I’ll happily ask on your >>>> behalf >>>> if you like – let me know >>>> 2. CFP >>>> The way we have done this previously is ask for a small panel of >>>> volunteers to act as a “talk selection committee” >>>> Obviously , we then need some way of people actually submitting >>>> proposals. Previously, we’ve used the Apachecon CFP tool – obviously >>>> that >>>> wont be available for an event such as this >>>> >>>> 3. We have a website for Cloudstack Collab conferences : >>>> http://cloudstackcollab.org/ >>>> That’s managed by Will Stevens/ the cloud-ops guys (although >>>> they’re not so active in the community these days, so maybe somebody >>>> else >>>> could take it over ? ) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Happy to help / support this where I can >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Giles >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Ivet Petrova <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent:* 21 May 2021 11:22 >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* CloudStack Collaboration Conference >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We have just a few days to the first CloudStack Virtual event! If still >>>> have registered, now is the time to do is: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://zoom.us/webinar/register/3216172602723/WN_-zsXhTq_Ttu1Ktz82my06Q >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> (this is technically a meeting of the European User Group, but as its >>>> virtual anybody can join!) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I am writing to share also something more: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I’ve been thinking about trying to organise a virtual CloudStack >>>> Collaboration Conference in the Autumn. There is a Virtual Apachecon in the >>>> autumn but I think we have missed our chance with that because the CFP is >>>> long closed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Organising this upcoming event has shown me that it is possible to get >>>> something virtual off the ground, and we’ve had a lot of interest from >>>> people wanting to speak. >>>> >>>> So, my proposal is that we run a Virtual Cloudstack Collab in the >>>> Autumn. I am happy to coordinate this in the community. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Тhe target of such event would be to share ideas, collaborate, bring >>>> more awareness for the technology and to attract new audience - new >>>> possible contributors and new potential users. >>>> >>>> In terms of format, I was thinking was 2-days event/ 4 hours per day >>>> with sessions into streams - one focused on tech and one focused on user >>>> stories and the business side. >>>> >>>> We’d need to run a CFP process – I may need some help with that. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What do people think? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>
