On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Samer Mansour <[email protected]> wrote: > I just talked to a few full time designers at IBM I ran into while at lunch > and showed them the proposals so far just as a "what do you think?" > > Just saying this now, my design got slammed, after they told me tips and > feedback I was convinced it was bad, even though I thought very highly of > it 10 mins prior. I think I want to pull it out at this point, but we'll > leave it up as what not to do... > > I would recommend anyone here to reach out to designers they know and ask > them for feedback on the proposal pages, ideas they have. The more > knowledge and feedback we collect the better we are going into this. >
And I suppose a wine expert would tell me that the wine I like is not good either ;-) > I can summarize their feedback and some helpful points. We don't have to > do any changes we don't feel are right, but it could only help us to hear > this. > > No particular order, I wrote down points, just writing them out detailed > now. > > 1. It has to be reproducible. > Chris R's is a great example, very simple logo. Both logo's with feathers > would be a nightmare to reproduce. Suggested not to be part of the logo, > but it can be part of a website design or splash screen, refresh/changes > with versions. > Reproduce in what sense? Do you mean print? Or photocopy? Is this a concern about how fine details may be lost in mechanical reproduction? -Rob > 2. It does not need to be part of the icons. Bonus points if you can make > them related though. > Tips for icons > - Can't go solely on colours for distinguishing modules. > - Primary detail (Table, Sigma, Database, Text Lines, etc.) should be > fairly large and pronounced as the main idea being communicated to the user > visually in the icon. > - Secondary detail - (brand) smaller, eg. single small bird in corner to > tie it to the brand, again optional and remove for simplicity. > - Do not user language characters, as it does not internationalize well, ie > C for calc, M for math. Criticism seen in Adobe products (they get away > with it). Sigma is fine, as its internationally known. > > 3. Font > What's in is thin, sleek fonts. ie. my font choice looks like I'm stuck in > the 90s, very techy looking. Who are we appealing to? End users, everyday > folk, they like sleek. > > 4. Don't constrain ourselves to rounded square > - We seem to be trying to fit a predefined container. Same with trying to > integrate the colours. We're trying too hard. Keep it simple and original. > Don't have the gulls hanging in mid air. "Ground them" Michael's #8 where > the wings touch the circle is a good example of how to do that. They are > part of it. > > I'm going to go home and make a new proposal that will highlight this > feedback, soon hopefully. Just to show the ideas in an example. I will > quantify some of these as possible requirements so that we have something > to aim for. > > Samer > On Feb 5, 2013 4:41 AM, "Jürgen Schmidt" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 2/5/13 7:31 AM, Samer Mansour wrote: >> > Picking a logo, hmmm. >> > >> > First part is dates. >> > We could find our dates by working backwards: >> > 1. When is the estimated release date of AOO4? >> >> we currently focus on April/May but no exact dates planned yet because >> we have still many things to do. I expect a more detailed schedule later >> this month. >> >> > 2. When do we need to have a logo picked (consider time to integrate). >> I would say we should focus on end of February. Keep in mind that we >> need final design work after we picked a proposal, need icons, app logo, >> banner logo etc. >> >> > 3. When do we need to start a final vote. >> aligned with 2. >> >> > 4. If/When do we need a preliminary/elimination vote. >> not sure if this is needed at all >> >> > 5. When is proposal deadline. >> > Consider how much time for each of the above steps, advertise the >> schedule >> > so that everyone voting knows when voting will occur and won't miss it. >> > >> > Second part is voting: >> > How do we pick a logo by voting: >> > - We could do rounds of elimination voting. Like American Idol, the >> > weakest X number of logo gets eliminated. You can then vote again on >> the >> > next round for a logo that survived if your first logo pick did not. >> > - Who gets to vote? Help me on this one, I'm newb, is it all the mailing >> > lists? Dev list, etc. one person a vote. >> >> good question, we can run of course several rounds but I wouldn't do too >> many. But I am flexible >> >> > >> > Third part is criteria: >> > - What are the minimum criteria for the logo. >> > - What are the constraints of the logo, if any, ie. technical. >> at least free and proper licensed font >> >> I personally would keep the blue as our preferred color to demonstrate >> continuity. >> >> We should keep in mind that a logo that can be used for different >> merchandising material has some advantages. >> >> > >> > From the sounds of it, we were not proposing finished work at this point >> in >> > time. Still a lot of bouncing ideas, I do feel like our designs are >> > beginning to conform to a higher than all of us design from our >> feedbacks. >> > Maybe voting will be easy, who knows. I'm optimistic here. >> >> In general I would recommend to select one of the proposals until end of >> February and target the final bits until end of March. Integration >> should take not too long and we can test it afterwards in detail. >> >> > >> > Feedback is welcome, specially in areas like voting. We can start >> > populating this, such as dates. >> >> thanks for driving this forward. A new fresh design with keeping some of >> the former elements or colors is a good move. We don't need a radical >> new design, a refresh is perfect form my point of view. >> >> Juergen >> >> > >> > Samer >> > >> > On Feb 4, 2013 6:11 AM, "Jürgen Schmidt" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/1/13 6:03 PM, Kadal Amutham wrote: >> >>> I have edited the wiki , giving numbers to all the logos. So all of us >> > can >> >>> have a look and vote as follows giving the ranking. Kinldy use >> alphabets >> >>> for ranking meaning A as the best, B next one and Z the last. >> >> >> >> before we start voting on the logos I would suggest that we define some >> >> basic rules and a timeline (when to start, how long the vote is open >> >> etc.). We have some very interesting and good proposals but in the end >> >> only one can make it. We should also consider a complete brand, means a >> >> proposal that can be applied everywhere (logo, file icons and app icon, >> >> webpage, intro, about, ...) >> >> >> >> Just my opinion >> >> >> >> Juergen >> > >> >>
