On 2013-06-06, at 16:38 , Kadal Amutham <[email protected]> wrote: > This reminds me of a movie of Jackie Chan. I think the name of the movie is > "Police Story". The movie comes to an end. Afterwards there was a short > film. A small boy was very hungry. His father steals a loaf of bread from a > bakery to feed his son. The police arrives at that time and kills the > father. Then Jackie Chan comes and consoles the boy, "This world is very > bad. But we should live in righteous way"
Your point is somewhat complicated by the fact that Jackie Chan has done tremendous work to remove the triads from informing the HK movie and Cantopop scene. And he's also recently gotten into some trouble for his efforts. (Just Google "jackie chan triads".) It's been a long fight of his. But when he made Police Story A (I think it's the one you refer to, the homage to Buster Keaton; this was back in the 80s), the triads were profoundly dominant and determined not just what got made but who made it and for how much. Their control made (or makes) the studio regime in Hollywood (which ended mid-20th cent., more or less) pale by comparison. (Bollywood does not have anything like this, either, I believe.) As a result of the triads' control, actors like Chan (but one could also name many, many others) would make far more films each year than their Hollywood compeers and for far less--and under far, far worse circumstances. (The film, Painted Faces, ostensibly about Samo Hung's and Chan's early training, I recall, could also be read as about the film industry in HK. But it's been years since I studied this, so my data are doubtless rusty.) I don't think that we actually have an answer to the problematic that's been pointed out except the one I suggested: simply inform the world of what is actually going on. Right now, the world, which is to say that segment fed by the tech writers and who read self-serving blogs, believe that LO is the acme of originality and community and that AOO is the spawn of something else. License allows for many things; that's its point. But being honest about one's doings and acknowledging debt is also very important in the construction of community. louis > > With Warm Regards > > V.Kadal Amutham > 919444360480 > 914422396480 > > > On 6 June 2013 19:54, Rob Weir <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> On 2013-06-06, at 02:23 , Kadal Amutham <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Andrea for the response. In general how our community feels about >>>> this process? >>> >>> This is the nature of open source. Equally, as Andrea points out and as >> I think most would agree, what is crucial is acknowledging the debt--and >> then also to pay it back by contributing *back* to OpenOffice. >>> >>> So, the issue is not that Libre Office or any other derivative uses >> Apache OpenOffice code, the issue is rather whether they contribute back to >> the project to which they are indebted. >>> >> >> And that is the great irony, or hypocrisy even. If you recall, LO >> touted the GPL as necessary to ensure that companies would share their >> code, and argued that adherence to a copyleft license was necessary to >> force corporations to behave. But now we see the main LO sponsors -- >> Redhat and Suse -- taking code, but refusing to share or cooperate. >> Their problem is they've formed a self-interested leadership group >> that benefits financially from the continued existence of LO. So >> anything that would end the fork would end their self-assigned >> privileges. >> >> -Rob >> >>> And the larger campaign is then to inform the tech press of the >> imbalance, if that is what it is. For right now, it seems that the tech >> press wrongly believes that Libre Office is in the vanguard and that >> OpenOffice is limping along, in arrears. >>> >>> louis >>>> >>>> With Warm Regards >>>> >>>> V.Kadal Amutham >>>> 919444360480 >>>> 914422396480 >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6 June 2013 00:54, Andrea Pescetti <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 05/06/2013 Kadal Amutham wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In one of the threads, there was a discussion regarding source code >> of AOO >>>>>> being used by LibreOffice. Please correct me if I am wrong. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is correct and well known (well, maybe not as widely known as it >>>>> should be). Code from all version of Apache OpenOffice has been reused. >>>>> Notable examples include Armin's SVG import and Andre's Sidebar work. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If this happens this shall be considered as a credit by AOO community. >> We >>>>>> shall feel happy to share our code in full or in part. What we can >> expect >>>>>> in return is mention of contribution of code by AOO community. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It is acknowledged most of the times, even though it is not done very >>>>> prominently and at times individual contributors are credited instead >> of >>>>> the Apache OpenOffice project (which would probably be clearer). >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Andrea. >>>>> >>>>> >> ------------------------------**------------------------------**--------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscribe@**openoffice.apache.org< >> [email protected]> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-help@openoffice.** >> apache.org<[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
