I do translation for LO and AOO as well. In LO, there is no mailing list like this. I contact a single person to do my translations.
With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 7 June 2013 04:03, Samer Mansour <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't think we are looking for public shaming of others. > I think we are looking for 1. recognition and 2. mutual benefits, from what > is being mentioned previously in this thread. > > Lets assume conspiracy theory and everyone who isn't us is evil and that > they are not contributing bug fixes they find in our code. > They would be pulling code bugs from us that they already fixed but > manually would have to override every time we make a release with new > fixes. > > That doesn't sound reasonable, neither the first part about conspiracy nor > the manual code fixing part. > > I would ask the dev list and see if anyone from AOO dev has built > relationships with LO dev. > If so what is the general mood and understanding of the relationship > between the organizations? Friendly, untrustworthy, optimists, fake, > mutual, one way. > Is it that they need our help, or we need theirs? Is it because we can't > seem to get over the fact we work for different organizations and we have a > different name? Our goals seem generally aligned. > > I wouldn't assume they are malicious, but again I haven't been around AOO > very long and also not involved with LO. > I live thinking most people are not malicious and out to get or use me. > At the same time I don't do anything I don't want to do, applies to anyone. > > Samer > > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Kadal Amutham <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I think we should clearly frame a policy statement w.r.t code reuse by > > others, and AOO taking code from other sources, put in the website for > all > > to know. > > > > With Warm Regards > > > > V.Kadal Amutham > > 919444360480 > > 914422396480 > > > > > > On 6 June 2013 20:24, Louis Suárez-Potts <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 2013-06-06, at 16:38 , Kadal Amutham <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > This reminds me of a movie of Jackie Chan. I think the name of the > > movie > > > is > > > > "Police Story". The movie comes to an end. Afterwards there was a > short > > > > film. A small boy was very hungry. His father steals a loaf of bread > > > from a > > > > bakery to feed his son. The police arrives at that time and kills the > > > > father. Then Jackie Chan comes and consoles the boy, "This world is > > very > > > > bad. But we should live in righteous way" > > > > > > Your point is somewhat complicated by the fact that Jackie Chan has > done > > > tremendous work to remove the triads from informing the HK movie and > > > Cantopop scene. And he's also recently gotten into some trouble for his > > > efforts. (Just Google "jackie chan triads".) It's been a long fight of > > his. > > > But when he made Police Story A (I think it's the one you refer to, the > > > homage to Buster Keaton; this was back in the 80s), the triads were > > > profoundly dominant and determined not just what got made but who made > it > > > and for how much. Their control made (or makes) the studio regime in > > > Hollywood (which ended mid-20th cent., more or less) pale by > comparison. > > > (Bollywood does not have anything like this, either, I believe.) As a > > > result of the triads' control, actors like Chan (but one could also > name > > > many, many others) would make far more films each year than their > > Hollywood > > > compeers and for far less--and under far, far worse circumstances. (The > > > film, Painted Faces, ostensibly about Samo Hung's and Chan's early > > > training, I recall, could also be read as about the film industry in > HK. > > > But it's been years since I studied this, so my data are doubtless > > rusty.) > > > > > > I don't think that we actually have an answer to the problematic that's > > > been pointed out except the one I suggested: simply inform the world of > > > what is actually going on. Right now, the world, which is to say that > > > segment fed by the tech writers and who read self-serving blogs, > believe > > > that LO is the acme of originality and community and that AOO is the > > spawn > > > of something else. > > > > > > License allows for many things; that's its point. But being honest > about > > > one's doings and acknowledging debt is also very important in the > > > construction of community. > > > > > > louis > > > > > > > > With Warm Regards > > > > > > > > V.Kadal Amutham > > > > 919444360480 > > > > 914422396480 > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6 June 2013 19:54, Rob Weir <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts < > [email protected]> > > > >> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> On 2013-06-06, at 02:23 , Kadal Amutham <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> Thanks Andrea for the response. In general how our community feels > > > about > > > >>>> this process? > > > >>> > > > >>> This is the nature of open source. Equally, as Andrea points out > and > > as > > > >> I think most would agree, what is crucial is acknowledging the > > debt--and > > > >> then also to pay it back by contributing *back* to OpenOffice. > > > >>> > > > >>> So, the issue is not that Libre Office or any other derivative uses > > > >> Apache OpenOffice code, the issue is rather whether they contribute > > > back to > > > >> the project to which they are indebted. > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> And that is the great irony, or hypocrisy even. If you recall, LO > > > >> touted the GPL as necessary to ensure that companies would share > their > > > >> code, and argued that adherence to a copyleft license was necessary > to > > > >> force corporations to behave. But now we see the main LO sponsors > -- > > > >> Redhat and Suse -- taking code, but refusing to share or cooperate. > > > >> Their problem is they've formed a self-interested leadership group > > > >> that benefits financially from the continued existence of LO. So > > > >> anything that would end the fork would end their self-assigned > > > >> privileges. > > > >> > > > >> -Rob > > > >> > > > >>> And the larger campaign is then to inform the tech press of the > > > >> imbalance, if that is what it is. For right now, it seems that the > > tech > > > >> press wrongly believes that Libre Office is in the vanguard and that > > > >> OpenOffice is limping along, in arrears. > > > >>> > > > >>> louis > > > >>>> > > > >>>> With Warm Regards > > > >>>> > > > >>>> V.Kadal Amutham > > > >>>> 919444360480 > > > >>>> 914422396480 > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On 6 June 2013 00:54, Andrea Pescetti <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> On 05/06/2013 Kadal Amutham wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> In one of the threads, there was a discussion regarding source > > code > > > >> of AOO > > > >>>>>> being used by LibreOffice. Please correct me if I am wrong. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> This is correct and well known (well, maybe not as widely known > as > > it > > > >>>>> should be). Code from all version of Apache OpenOffice has been > > > reused. > > > >>>>> Notable examples include Armin's SVG import and Andre's Sidebar > > work. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> If this happens this shall be considered as a credit by AOO > > > community. > > > >> We > > > >>>>>> shall feel happy to share our code in full or in part. What we > can > > > >> expect > > > >>>>>> in return is mention of contribution of code by AOO community. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> It is acknowledged most of the times, even though it is not done > > very > > > >>>>> prominently and at times individual contributors are credited > > instead > > > >> of > > > >>>>> the Apache OpenOffice project (which would probably be clearer). > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Regards, > > > >>>>> Andrea. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------**------------------------------**--------- > > > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscribe@** > > > openoffice.apache.org< > > > >> [email protected]> > > > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-help@openoffice.** > > > >> apache.org<[email protected]> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [email protected] > > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > [email protected] > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > [email protected] > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > > > >
