I think we should clearly frame a policy statement w.r.t code reuse by others, and AOO taking code from other sources, put in the website for all to know.
With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 6 June 2013 20:24, Louis Suárez-Potts <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 2013-06-06, at 16:38 , Kadal Amutham <[email protected]> wrote: > > > This reminds me of a movie of Jackie Chan. I think the name of the movie > is > > "Police Story". The movie comes to an end. Afterwards there was a short > > film. A small boy was very hungry. His father steals a loaf of bread > from a > > bakery to feed his son. The police arrives at that time and kills the > > father. Then Jackie Chan comes and consoles the boy, "This world is very > > bad. But we should live in righteous way" > > Your point is somewhat complicated by the fact that Jackie Chan has done > tremendous work to remove the triads from informing the HK movie and > Cantopop scene. And he's also recently gotten into some trouble for his > efforts. (Just Google "jackie chan triads".) It's been a long fight of his. > But when he made Police Story A (I think it's the one you refer to, the > homage to Buster Keaton; this was back in the 80s), the triads were > profoundly dominant and determined not just what got made but who made it > and for how much. Their control made (or makes) the studio regime in > Hollywood (which ended mid-20th cent., more or less) pale by comparison. > (Bollywood does not have anything like this, either, I believe.) As a > result of the triads' control, actors like Chan (but one could also name > many, many others) would make far more films each year than their Hollywood > compeers and for far less--and under far, far worse circumstances. (The > film, Painted Faces, ostensibly about Samo Hung's and Chan's early > training, I recall, could also be read as about the film industry in HK. > But it's been years since I studied this, so my data are doubtless rusty.) > > I don't think that we actually have an answer to the problematic that's > been pointed out except the one I suggested: simply inform the world of > what is actually going on. Right now, the world, which is to say that > segment fed by the tech writers and who read self-serving blogs, believe > that LO is the acme of originality and community and that AOO is the spawn > of something else. > > License allows for many things; that's its point. But being honest about > one's doings and acknowledging debt is also very important in the > construction of community. > > louis > > > > With Warm Regards > > > > V.Kadal Amutham > > 919444360480 > > 914422396480 > > > > > > On 6 June 2013 19:54, Rob Weir <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> On 2013-06-06, at 02:23 , Kadal Amutham <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Thanks Andrea for the response. In general how our community feels > about > >>>> this process? > >>> > >>> This is the nature of open source. Equally, as Andrea points out and as > >> I think most would agree, what is crucial is acknowledging the debt--and > >> then also to pay it back by contributing *back* to OpenOffice. > >>> > >>> So, the issue is not that Libre Office or any other derivative uses > >> Apache OpenOffice code, the issue is rather whether they contribute > back to > >> the project to which they are indebted. > >>> > >> > >> And that is the great irony, or hypocrisy even. If you recall, LO > >> touted the GPL as necessary to ensure that companies would share their > >> code, and argued that adherence to a copyleft license was necessary to > >> force corporations to behave. But now we see the main LO sponsors -- > >> Redhat and Suse -- taking code, but refusing to share or cooperate. > >> Their problem is they've formed a self-interested leadership group > >> that benefits financially from the continued existence of LO. So > >> anything that would end the fork would end their self-assigned > >> privileges. > >> > >> -Rob > >> > >>> And the larger campaign is then to inform the tech press of the > >> imbalance, if that is what it is. For right now, it seems that the tech > >> press wrongly believes that Libre Office is in the vanguard and that > >> OpenOffice is limping along, in arrears. > >>> > >>> louis > >>>> > >>>> With Warm Regards > >>>> > >>>> V.Kadal Amutham > >>>> 919444360480 > >>>> 914422396480 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 6 June 2013 00:54, Andrea Pescetti <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On 05/06/2013 Kadal Amutham wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> In one of the threads, there was a discussion regarding source code > >> of AOO > >>>>>> being used by LibreOffice. Please correct me if I am wrong. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> This is correct and well known (well, maybe not as widely known as it > >>>>> should be). Code from all version of Apache OpenOffice has been > reused. > >>>>> Notable examples include Armin's SVG import and Andre's Sidebar work. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> If this happens this shall be considered as a credit by AOO > community. > >> We > >>>>>> shall feel happy to share our code in full or in part. What we can > >> expect > >>>>>> in return is mention of contribution of code by AOO community. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> It is acknowledged most of the times, even though it is not done very > >>>>> prominently and at times individual contributors are credited instead > >> of > >>>>> the Apache OpenOffice project (which would probably be clearer). > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards, > >>>>> Andrea. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > ------------------------------**------------------------------**--------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscribe@** > openoffice.apache.org< > >> [email protected]> > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-help@openoffice.** > >> apache.org<[email protected]> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >>> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > >> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >> > >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >
