John: I'm in trouble. I find myself agreeing with you. -Pete T. On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 5:41 PM Dayne Goodwin <[email protected]> wrote:
> Good advice for Joseph. Appreciate the excellent responses from Ken, > Chris and John. > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 5:42 AM John Reimann <[email protected]> > wrote: > > There is no such thing as "The Transitional Program by Leon Trotsky". He > never wrote and never would have written anything by that name. There is a > reason why he never would have written anything by that name: A program is > an approach to a real-life state of affairs. Unless you think that nothing > ever changes in the world, how can there be "the" program that is good for > all times and all places? > > What "The Death Agony of Capitalism" does do is bring a certain method - > the transitional method. Those who insist on branding "The Death Agony of > Capitalism" as "The" Transitional Program adopt the demands while they kill > the method. > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 8:30 PM Chris Slee <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Trotsky's article was not intended as a comprehensive analysis of > Ethiopian society. It was just dealing with the question of whether > socialists should support Ethiopia against the Italian invasion, despite > the fact that Ethiopia was under the dictatorship of Haile Selassie. > Trotsky's answer was yes. > > Trotsky did not "sing psalms of praise to the Ethiopian dictatorship", > as Joseph Green claims. What he said was that a victory by Ethiopia over > the Italian invaders would have a progressive impact on world politics, by > weakening Italian imperialism and by encouraging revolts against > imperialism elsewhere: > > https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1936/04/oslo.htm > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 6:54 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > > You believe that Trotsky's response to Mussolini's attack on Ethiopia > was incorrect. And I doubt that you would support the position of the ILP, > who Trotsky criticized. Do you think that anyone at that time had a > correct approach to this struggle? Did the Soviet Union have a correct > approach? In your opinion, how should Trotsky have responded at that time? > > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 5:51 AM Louis Proyect <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 8/14/20 3:43 AM, Joseph Green wrote: > >> He ranked Selassie alongside Cromwell or Robespierre, which for Trotsky > -- who > >>ignores certain things about these "dictators", such as Cromwell's > butchering of > >>the Irish people -- was very high praise. > > > > So what? Mustafa Kemal also played a progressive role by uniting the > Turks against English imperialism that was using Greece as a proxy. That > same impulse also led to the suppression of Armenians and Kurds. Lincoln > was the quintessential bourgeois revolutionary but he directed his military > to slaughter native peoples exactly like George Washington did. > > > > Trotsky wrote an article titled "Learn to Think" that I reference in my > CounterPunch article today about the U. of Utah fiasco. Joseph might find > Trotsky's article useful. > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#395): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/395 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/76151064/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES<br />#1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message.<br />#2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived.<br />#3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/8674936/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
