Good advice for Joseph. Appreciate the excellent responses from Ken, Chris and John.
On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 5:42 AM John Reimann <[email protected]> wrote: > There is no such thing as "The Transitional Program by Leon Trotsky". He > never wrote and never would have written anything by that name. There is a > reason why he never would have written anything by that name: A program is an > approach to a real-life state of affairs. Unless you think that nothing ever > changes in the world, how can there be "the" program that is good for all > times and all places? > What "The Death Agony of Capitalism" does do is bring a certain method - the > transitional method. Those who insist on branding "The Death Agony of > Capitalism" as "The" Transitional Program adopt the demands while they kill > the method. On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 8:30 PM Chris Slee <[email protected]> wrote: > Trotsky's article was not intended as a comprehensive analysis of Ethiopian > society. It was just dealing with the question of whether socialists should > support Ethiopia against the Italian invasion, despite the fact that Ethiopia > was under the dictatorship of Haile Selassie. Trotsky's answer was yes. > Trotsky did not "sing psalms of praise to the Ethiopian dictatorship", as > Joseph Green claims. What he said was that a victory by Ethiopia over the > Italian invaders would have a progressive impact on world politics, by > weakening Italian imperialism and by encouraging revolts against imperialism > elsewhere: > https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1936/04/oslo.htm On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 6:54 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > You believe that Trotsky's response to Mussolini's attack on Ethiopia was > incorrect. And I doubt that you would support the position of the ILP, who > Trotsky criticized. Do you think that anyone at that time had a correct > approach to this struggle? Did the Soviet Union have a correct approach? In > your opinion, how should Trotsky have responded at that time? On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 5:51 AM Louis Proyect <[email protected]> wrote: > On 8/14/20 3:43 AM, Joseph Green wrote: >> He ranked Selassie alongside Cromwell or Robespierre, which for Trotsky -- >> who >>ignores certain things about these "dictators", such as Cromwell's butchering >>of >>the Irish people -- was very high praise. > > So what? Mustafa Kemal also played a progressive role by uniting the Turks > against English imperialism that was using Greece as a proxy. That same > impulse also led to the suppression of Armenians and Kurds. Lincoln was the > quintessential bourgeois revolutionary but he directed his military to > slaughter native peoples exactly like George Washington did. > > Trotsky wrote an article titled "Learn to Think" that I reference in my > CounterPunch article today about the U. of Utah fiasco. Joseph might find > Trotsky's article useful. > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#391): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/391 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/76151064/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/8674936/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
