On 3/30/21 10:03 AM, Vladimiro Giacche' wrote:
Louis,
to me don’t using the term  “genocide” about Uhygurs - already on the basis on the common/basic meaning of this word - should belong to ABC. (Warning: This DOESN’T mean that what’s occurring over there is right and sound and deserves our assent and so on...). I think that on this list at least a debate on the matter should be allowed.
“Words are stones”, as someone used to say.
VG

What kind of debate can we have we don't agree on the facts? China has made it very difficult for reporters to have access to Uighurs. So, you get Grayzone denying every charge made against the Chinese government on the basis that those making the charges are in cahoots with the NED. That is why I rely on the reporting of David Brophy who is one of the leading Uighur scholars in the world, who speaks Chinese and Uighur and who is a long-time Marxist. Not only that, he has been in the forefront of defending China against the Australian government that has the same hostility toward China as the USA. He has ever written a book titled "China Panic: Australia’s Alternative to Paranoia and Pandering" along those lines:

https://www.blackincbooks.com.au/books/china-panic

A better way to think about foreign influence and the nation’s future

When he visited Australia in 2014, Chinese president Xi Jinping said there was an ‘ocean of goodwill’ between our country and his. Since then that ocean has shown dramatic signs of freezing over. Australia is in the grip of a China Panic. How did we get here and what’s the way out?

We hear, weekly, alarming stories of Chinese influence, interference or even espionage – in politics, on campus, in the media, in community organisations and elsewhere. The United States now sees China as a strategic rival, and pressure on Australia to ‘get tough on China’ will only intensify.

While the xenophobic right hovers in the wings, some of the loudest voices decrying Chinese subversion come, unexpectedly, from the left. Aligning themselves with hawkish think tanks, they call for new security laws, increased scrutiny of Chinese Australians and, if necessary, military force – a prescription for a sharp rightward turn in Australian politics.

In this insightful critique, David Brophy offers a progressive alternative. Instead of punitive measures that restrict rights and stoke suspicion of minorities – moves that would only make Australia more like China – we need democratic solutions that strengthen Australian institutions and embrace, not alienate, Chinese Australians. Above all, we need forms of international solidarity that don’t reduce human rights to a mere bargaining chip.








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