Mark. Your stated faith in the National Park Service to provide truthful numbers about the size of anti-government protests - seems amazing to me. I must assume you were not involved or have become aware of the Vietnam Antiwar Movement experiences with the various U. S. government agencies - that were all directed and from the White House - from reporting, to preventing.
Here are some examples - the U. S. government pressured every U. S. insurance company from providing a needed bond to hold a rally at the Washington DC Mall in hope that would prevent a mass march. We had to go to England and get the Quaker led Lloyd's of London to agree to be the insurer and providing the Bond. that attempted government sabotage was under the "former Quaker" U. S. president Nixon, being fortunately outmaneuvered by the U. S. Antiwar Movement by Quakers and international solidarity from another nation's antiwar forces. I remembered the U. S. government ordered bus company and drivers to leave their passengers behind on the night of October 21, 1967 under the democrat LBJ I was among many who filled into the buses that the drivers had refused to leave their passengers stranded that night (when many drivers did leave - ordered by police AND Parks Department police. The massive November 15, 1969 protest in Washington DC (and in San Francisco) would be eclipsed in size by the even larger April 24, 1971 protest. I was on national staff for the April 24, 1971 and well remember how many buses and cars were lined up on the highway for hours unable to proceed south to Washington DC, BECAUSE of the huge numbers of people trying to join that protest. Perhaps you might consider the National Parks "Service" is a government run agency - that first serves the rulers and whatever federal administration is then in power. ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mark Baugher <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2024 6:45 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [marxmail] PSL ups the crowd-inflation factor > On Jan 17, 2024, at 5:23 PM, John Obrien <[email protected]> wrote: > > Just want to correct your stating that the Vietnam Antiwar Mass Marches never > exceeded 300,000 - 400,000. Hi John, The National Park Service estimates are probably the most reliable: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FList_of_rallies_and_protest_marches_in_Washington%2C_D.C&data=05%7C02%7C%7C0de9d0fe668b41e4862908dc18341769%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638411859210817847%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8nIc9ySIUBsJz43okpuodR%2Fl8UtY3pNudkWNA4PY5Wg%3D&reserved=0<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rallies_and_protest_marches_in_Washington,_D.C>. I was surprised to see that they estimated the Fall 1969 Moratorium had 600k participants. But I thought that April 24, 1971 was the largest demonstration because that was the Kool Aid that the SWP was serving that year. In Out Now, Fred Halstead estimated 750k for April 24th 1971 and said it was the largest in US history (p. 543), but the April 30, 1971 Militant Newspaper estimated that the 1969 National Moratorium mach in D.C. had 800,000. So, take you pick: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsafe.duckduckgo.com%2F%3Fq%3Dapril%2B24%2B1971%2Bdemonstration%2Bpark%2Bservice%2Bcrowd%2Bsize%26kp%3D1%26atb%3Dv408-1%26ia%3Dweb&data=05%7C02%7C%7C0de9d0fe668b41e4862908dc18341769%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638411859210825616%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=nl6Hd2j6JEhZ%2BxO5qTSM45mVshm37CM2pu%2FCWQvvIUw%3D&reserved=0<https://safe.duckduckgo.com/?q=april+24+1971+demonstration+park+service+crowd+size&kp=1&atb=v408-1&ia=web> shows the range of estimates from newspapers for April 24th, 1971. A research paper, https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1RW3PvWAPvQbPr7d_Q-0HquIqcO6DDE2D%2Fview%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=05%7C02%7C%7C0de9d0fe668b41e4862908dc18341769%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638411859210831148%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=RXC6rOxM83GAFAwuv5n7zh1FFMpvHgWd8Nz1WJcgp20%3D&reserved=0<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RW3PvWAPvQbPr7d_Q-0HquIqcO6DDE2D/view?usp=sharing>, gives some background on estimating crowd sizes and has a table with yet another set of numbers. Mark -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#28543): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/28543 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/103794305/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/8674936/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
