On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 04:12 PM, hari kumar wrote:

> 
> As an aside, in the UK I had many friend in the then Tony Cliff IS later
> the SWP.
> At end university many 'went into the unions'. The tales they told later
> included being viewed as complete outsiders by the union members.

Class background helped some. Those raised in working class communities and 
exposed to working class culture, especially being able to banter about sports, 
were better equipped to bridge the class gulf. This applied equally to 
left-wing students and intellectuals who made the “industrial turn” into the 
trade unions and to labour educators on the outside with working class 
backgrounds.

But, whether from outside or inside, if you intervened in a sectarian way 
without taking into account the confidence most workers still had in the 
leaders of their organizations , class origin counted for nothing. The vanguard 
sects like IS tended to lose more militants to the trade union movement than 
they gained. Many activists left these groups because they gauged that 
circulating the party press and otherwise carrying out the line from 
headquarters would hamper rather them help them influence those they hoped to 
lead.


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