Thank you, Michael --- I definitely see the "old" very thoughtful measured
Chomsky in this interview --

Look --- nobody's perfect --- and we can certainly credit Yassin al-Haj
Saleh for calling out Chomsky's failures since ----

Nothing will change the decades of fantastic contributions to humanity's
many struggles --- (and I might also add, he was always incredibly generous
with people who wrote to him with questions or issues to address!)

On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 10:56 AM Michael Karadjis via groups.io <mkaradjis=
[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm not sure why Dayne calls campism "ultraleft." I would suggest it is
> not "left" at all. That's why it is so easily able to line up with the
> global far right on issues like Syria, Ukraine, Bosnia etc. Gushing support
> for other rapacious imperialist powers or capitalist tyrants that aren't
> current US partners is right-wing, not ultraleft politics.
>
> Chomsky, of course, had this tendency as the article shows, but he was
> never in the worst-case category. Yassin al-Haj Saleh, a communist
> political prisoner for 16 years in Assad's torture dungeons, is quite
> naturally angry about Chomsky's later horrible views on Syria. Yet in the
> first few years of the Syrian revolution, his views were much better, eg in
> the below 2013 interview (a few excerpts below
>
> https://chomsky.info/20130711/
>
>
> Anyway, here are the excerpts from Chomsky's 2013 interview on Syria,
> where he was still able to show his better side:
>
> *Syrians today continue to receive blame because of the armed resistance
> taking centre-stage in a revolution whose protests were peaceful and
> remained so throughout its early months. Do you think that Syrians had
> other options but let them slip?*
>
> I don't think the Syrians made a choice. It happened in the wake of the
> Assad regime’s repressive response. Syrians could either have surrendered
> or taken up arms. To blame them is akin to saying that the Vietnamese made
> a mistake responding by force when their US-backed government started
> committing massacres. Sure, the Vietnamese made a choice to arm themselves,
> but the alternative was accept still more massacres. It’s not a serious
> critique.
>
> *In your view, what is Israel’s true position regarding the Syrian
> revolution?*
>
> Israel has done nothing to indicate that it is trying to bring down the
> Assad regime. There are growing claims that the West intends to supply the
> opposition with arms. I believe this is quite misleading. The fact of the
> matter is, that were the United States and Israel interested in bringing
> down the Syrian regime there is a whole package of measures they could take
> before they came to the arms-supply option. All these other options remain
> available, including, for example, America encouraging Israel to mobilize
> its forces along the northern border, a move that would not produce any
> objections from the international community and which would compel the
> regime to withdraw its forces from a number of frontline positions and
> relieve the pressure on the opposition. But this has not happened, nor will
> it, so long as America and Israel remain unwilling to bring down Assad
> regime. They may not like the regime, but it is nevertheless a regime that
> is well practised in accommodating their demands and any unknown
> alternative might prove worse in this respect. Much better, then, to watch
> the Syrians fight and destroy each other.
>
> *Your discourse unambiguously states that America and Israel have no
> desire to see the regime fall and that their actions are determined by the
> “better the devil you know” principle. How do you explain a
> counter-discourse, promulgated by analysts and intellectuals, especially
> among Leftist circles in Europe the US and the Arab world, which is based
> on the supposition of an American/Israeli/imperialist plot? For some
> people, the revolution in Syria has been a conspiracy from the outset. For
> others it was hijacked by the conspiracy.*
>
> For a long time, the Arab world and other places beside have played host
> to stories and illusions about the supernatural power of the United States,
> which controls everything through complex conspiracies and plots. In this
> worldview, everything that takes place can be explained in terms of
> imperialist conspiracies. This is an error. Without a doubt, the
> UnitedStates are still a great power and capable of influencing events, but
> they are not always able to manipulate them by means of complex
> conspiracies: this really is beyond their capacities. Of course the
> Americans do sometimes try to do this, but they fail, too. What happened in
> Syria is not outside our understanding: it began as a popular and
> democratic protest movement demanding democratic reforms, but instead of
> responding to it in a constructive, positive manner, Assad reacted with
> violent repression. The usual outcome of such a course of action is either
> a successful crushing of the protests or otherwise, to see them evolve and
> militarize, and this is what took place in Syria. When a protest movement
> enters this phase we see new dynamics at play: usually, the rise of the
> most extremist and brutal elements to the front ranks.
>
>
>>


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