On Thu, Oct 17, 2024 at 01:00 AM, John Edmundson wrote:

> 
> Trotsky died 50 years before the collapse of the Soviet Union. Any
> 'expectations' he might have had in the1940s for a progressive result in
> the USSR have absolutely no bearing on what happened in 1989.
> 

Neither his nor our expectations right through to 1989 bore any relation to 
what actually happened, John.  I was replying to Artesian's comment that, 
unlike Lenin, Trotsky, and the Bolsheviks who took power, a true historical 
materialist would have understood from the outset that the USSR could not 
survive in a predominantly peasant economy lagging the more advanced 
industrialized West.  In fact, that was what Plekhanov and the Mensheviks 
warned against, as Gojko pointed out here: 
https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/29566


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