Charlie, Has anyone ever pointed out how full of BS you are? I can't be the first. First, I didn't say the fSU maintained pre-capitalist relations, I said that the proletarian revolution could not overcome the LEGACY of pre-capitalist relation, specifically the low productivity in agriculture, within national boundaries. The impaired productivity of Soviet agriculture is a well known fact, but acolytes of Grover Furr don't care too much for facts. Almost 1/3 of the population of the fSU was engaged in agriculture vs less than 3 percent for the US during the 60s and 70s.
Then, Charlie offers as an example of the fSU's advanced productivity its defeat of the Nazis. Well, I would never belittle the role of the fSU in defeating the Nazis. On a personal note, I happen to admire comrade-General N.F. Vatutin the most audacious of the Red Army generals and perhaps the grand master of the use of armor in assaults. But.. the victory was not a measure of "productivity" as 25 million Soviet civilians and troops are estimated to have died in the conflict. It was the overwhelming numbers that were able to produce overwhelming armies, overwhelming artillery, tanks, and aircraft. It was not a miracle of productivity. True to the Grover Furr school of academic BS, Charlies brings out his popgun claiming that it's all part of the well-known Trotskyite diktat-- that there can't be any revolution until the entire world is perfectly ready for one. I've never argued that. I don't know of anything written by Trotsky or his supporters in the 1930s or 40s...or whenever that argues that. As a matter of fact. that argument that there can't be a proletarian revolution until everybody's ready seems to apply to the official CPs that Charlie so admires==like in Spain when the CP was enforcing the limits of the bourgeois order on the revolution; like 1945 in Viet Nam when Ho's forces suppressed the workers' revolt after the collapse of the Japanese rule, making Saigon a safe-place for occupation by the British as placeholders for the French. As for my relatives in Europe and what I should or should not be ashamed of--most of my relatives were killed by Nazis in Ukraine. I'm not ashamed to say, the French branch of the family tree survived by 1) living in caves in the Pyrenees 2) joining resistance and killing Nazis. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#34574): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/34574 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/109913252/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
