> On Feb 18, 2026, at 20:59, Marv Gandall via groups.io 
> <[email protected]> wrote:

>  
> The right of self-determination is not at issue, Mark.

But Russia is occupying Ukrainian territory right now. They even held referenda 
under conditions of occupation and de-population. I know some on this list take 
that seriously but I can't.

> Ukraine exercised the right to independent statehood back in 1991 when the 
> USSR dissolved, and no serious analyst of any political persuasion believes 
> that the Russian aim is to occupy the country and reabsorb it into its 
> federation.

I can list a dozen writers from Ilya Budraitskis 
(https://spectrejournal.com/against-putins-war-in-ukraine/) to Petr Akopov 
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petr_Akopov) who believe that Russia's aim was 
to take over the entire country. They were marching to Kiev in 2022. It may no 
longer be a realistic aim of Russia to occupy the country in the near term. But 
there's no doubt that was Putin's original intent and long-term goal. Putin 
wanted a multi-polar world. The irony is that he is getting it but that Russia 
is too weak to be one of the poles. Thanks, in part, to his invasion of Ukraine.

I don't see much of a debate that Russia's invasion of Ukraine, including 
Crimea, was expansionist. If an army is occupying a country with the aim of 
incorporating it into their empire, then this is obviously a violation of 
national self determination.

Mark



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