Good Evening,

Yes, I think I remember that in one of your former e-mails you mentioned
GitLab,
though then I assumed it was idea not a concrete plan ;). Sorry!

I'll remember about "git format-patch origin/master" as well and will
deliver the patches that way.

Of course I need to read about autotools a bit more, too! ;)

Right now my plan is to deliver mrxvt to Fedora. The Arch Linux PKGBUILD
was simple and worked,
but Fedora has possibly a bigger user base so more potential users and
testers of mrxvt.

Hope for the best!

Best regards,
Andy

On 11 September 2016 at 20:22, Jehan <je...@zemarmot.net> wrote:

> Le 2016-09-11 19:42, Andy Mender a écrit :
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Ah, I didn't know one has to bootstrap the build area first. As you
>> said, running "./bootstrap.sh" solved the problem.
>> I tested everything locally (within the repository) and generated an
>> Arch Linux PKGBUILD. Both worked.
>>
>> Finally, I tested "make distcheck". I like this automatic tarball
>> generation. Is this a standard practice or something you deviced?
>>
>
> Pure standard. This is not even a "practice" but a default feature which
> comes along with the autotools (you don't have to do anything, we have no
> code for this in mrxvt. Just using the autotools gives the feature).
>
> Usually, when I download projects as tarballs, the standard procedure
>> of "./configure && make && make install" applies.
>> Is that because they were built for distribution via "make checkdist"?
>>
>
> Usually it should be. This is the proper procedure. Yet in reality many
> developer are not aware of the full autotools process and will either
> generate the configure and other build scripts before making a tarball, or
> indeed save these in the repository along the source.
> But yeah, when you do it well, that's how things are done. :-)
>
> Finally, I added the .desktop file locally and some minor improvements
>> to the README. I think the procedure you explained to me could be
>> added to the git README.md so that users are instantly aware of how to
>> deal with the files they download from you. How would we make
>> the addition of my commits more flexible? For now I only know how to
>> "git push" and "git pull". Maybe a secondary "staging" branch to
>> which I could commit and push would be useful? That could be later
>> merged back to the master branch after reviewing the commits by you
>> :).
>>
>
> The proper procedure is that you do some local commits, then run:
>
> $ git format-patch origin/master
>
> It will generate as many patch files as you have new commits. Just sent
> them.
> By the way, did you see the other email? We are going to move to gitlab
> finally. But that won't change much for you. You don't have to clone a new
> repo. I'll explain later when we are 100% sure. Just work with the github
> repo for now. :-)
>
> Jehan
>
> Best regards,
>> Andy
>>
>> On 11 September 2016 at 13:13, Jehan <je...@zemarmot.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Andy,
>>>
>>> Le 2016-09-11 10:33, Andy Mender a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> So I cloned the new git repository and started working on the
>>>> files
>>>> locally.
>>>> Thus far I added the optional depends to the README and generated
>>>> a
>>>> .patch file.
>>>>
>>>> However, there are some major differences between the last
>>>> tarball
>>>> from Sourceforge
>>>>
>>>> and the content of the git repository. For instance, the
>>>> "configure"
>>>> script is missing
>>>>
>>>> entirely.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is normal. The configure script is a generated file. Run
>>> `./bootstrap` to create configure and all other necessary files from
>>> the build system.
>>>
>>> Any ideas? :(
>>>>
>>>> I managed to circumvent the need for a tarball for my purposes,
>>>> but
>>>> there are those
>>>>
>>>
>>> Actually creating a tarball directly from the source is not the
>>> right way (and for this specific reason, tarballs automatically
>>> created by github are wrong. Even though they are OK for developers,
>>> they are not right for final delivery). The right way is running
>>> (after a normal build) the command:
>>>
>>> $ make distcheck
>>>
>>> This not only makes a tarball adding all the necessary build files
>>> (like configure), but even test it by uncompressing it and building
>>> from the new files to make sure nothing is forgotten. Finally it
>>> runs a `make check` by itself with any unit test a project may have
>>> (note that I don't think we have any in the case of mrxvt).
>>>
>>> differences that prevent me from doing a local "configure make
>>>> make
>>>> install" chain.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So I summarize, run:
>>>
>>> $ ./bootstrap
>>> $ ./configure [--with --whatever --options]
>>> $ make && make install
>>> Test if all looks ok.
>>> $ make distcheck
>>> You will find a tarball named "mrxvt-0.5.5.tar.gz" in your
>>> directory. If the `make distcheck` ended as a success, it means
>>> mrxvt extracted from this tarball at least compiles fine and is
>>> ready for release.
>>>
>>> Have fun!
>>>
>>> Jehan
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> On 10 September 2016 at 14:38, Jehan <je...@zemarmot.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Le 2016-09-09 15:12, Andy Mender a écrit :
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> Truth be told, I received your e-mail some time after issuing
>>> mine. In
>>> fact, together with the digest.
>>> Sorry about that!
>>>
>>> So that we're both on the same page, I will fork your repository
>>> (fork
>>> to my GitHub account or simply clone it locally?)
>>> and work with your files not to duplicate things. Then as you
>>> suggested, issue pull requests.
>>>
>>> You can do whatever you want. The usual github logic is indeed
>>> "forking", working on your fork and making a "pull request". I
>>> think
>>> this is messy and a terrible usage of git, but that's what github
>>> pushes people to do so I will obviously accept this.
>>>
>>> The simpler way is just a locale clone, then generating forks as
>>> patches (use `git format-patch origin/master`, which creates as
>>> many
>>> well-formatted patches as commits in a single command), which you
>>> can simply send us. I will obviously accept this as well.
>>>
>>> I understand the thing with tarballs. I know I should not put them
>>> to
>>> a git repo and I will not do so from now on.
>>> I figured out a way of building a package for Arch Linux without
>>> a
>>> need for the tarball, which I think is much cleaner anyhow.
>>>
>>> I don't know how Arch Linux packages are done. And I am not telling
>>> you necessarily not to have tarballs. I can't say what's best for
>>> your use case. I'm just saying that tarballs should not be in the
>>> *source* repository. ;-)
>>>
>>> We can have release tarballs in a download area. And as I was
>>> saying, github even automatically generate tarballs when you tag
>>> your tree. See mrxvt auto-generated release tarballs:
>>> https://github.com/Jehan/mrxvt/releases [1] [1]
>>>
>>>
>>> I will update the README and include a .desktop file accordingly.
>>> It's
>>> fine if both of those are in the build directory, right?
>>>
>>> Yes, .desktop files are often in root in most projects, though I
>>> see we have a share/ directory in mrxvt. In this case, it probably
>>> makes more sense to add it under share/.
>>>
>>> The .desktop file would be added together with the rest of the
>>> files
>>> through "make install".
>>>
>>> Obviously. You are welcome to update share/Makefile.am for this.
>>>
>>> Per my repository, I think I will rename it, restructure it and
>>> use it
>>> for hosting PKGBUILDs before they officially go to AUR.
>>>
>>> Very good idea.
>>>
>>> Nothing more.
>>>
>>> I think that's all for now :).
>>>
>>> Perfect. We've got a plan! :-)
>>>
>>> Jehan
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> On 9 September 2016 at 14:54, Jehan <je...@zemarmot.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Andy,
>>>
>>> Le 2016-09-09 14:23, Andy Mender a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I was successful in building an mrxvt package for Arch Linux. If
>>> it's
>>> OK,
>>> I would like to submit it to the Arch User Repository (AUR). To
>>> that
>>> end I would also like
>>> to add a .desktop file to the tarball as many desktops and window
>>> managers use them.
>>>
>>> Haven't you received my next email where I explained I created a
>>> proper git repository with the while history from our subversion
>>> repo (i.e. each SVN commit is now a git commit, and releases are
>>> now
>>> git tags, and the branches are there too)?
>>> Please make a "fork" of this repository and make pull requests from
>>> there: https://github.com/Jehan/mrxvt [2] [2] [1]
>>>
>>> Yes we would definitely welcome a .desktop file. :-)
>>>
>>> I would then upload the modified tarball to the git repository I
>>> created thus far.
>>>
>>> I don't understand. Why do you save tarballs in the repository? As
>>> I said earlier, you should not do this. A source repository is
>>> there
>>> only to save sources. Tarballs should be saved in a download area.
>>> By the way, github creates tarball automatically for projects from
>>> tags. So uploading tarball is actually not even necessary at all.
>>>
>>> I also need to know what are the depends and build-depends of
>>> mrxvt. I
>>> haven't seen
>>>
>>> this anywhere in the README. Should I assume they're the same as
>>> those
>>> of rxvt?
>>>
>>> You should be able to get the list of dependency by investigating
>>> the contents of the configure.ac [3] [3] [2].
>>>
>>>
>>> Then we would welcome a pull request to update README with your
>>> findings. :-)
>>>
>>> Of course, I can also do it, but I cannot promise to do it in a
>>> timely manner.
>>>
>>> Are the above points OK with you? :)
>>>
>>> Yes, for .desktop file and README update. But please work from my
>>> mrxvt git repository for now.
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jehan
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Andy Mender
>>>
>>> On 9 September 2016 at 07:02, Andy Mender
>>> <andymenderu...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> 1. I'm sorry for instantly creating a git repository from all of
>>> the
>>> files. I am still new to git
>>> and I'm not 100% accustomed to creating PKGBUILDs out of git
>>> repositories.
>>>
>>> 2. I have nothing against SourceForge or SVN. I used the latter
>>> shortly for getting FreeBSD
>>> kernel source tree snapshots.
>>>
>>> 3. I would be very happy if you could help me out with migrating
>>> the
>>> project from SVN to git.
>>> From the link you attached I read that it's not trivial.
>>>
>>> 4. For now, I cleaned up the entire repository and moved both the
>>> patch file and tarball
>>> to a separate directory so that I can still build the PKGBUILD for
>>> Arch Linux.
>>>
>>> I'm awaiting your further assistance ;).
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Andy Mender
>>>
>>> On 9 September 2016 at 01:12, Jehan <je...@zemarmot.net> wrote:
>>> Hi Andy,
>>>
>>> Le 2016-09-08 23:29, Andy Mender a écrit :
>>> Thank you kindly for your response. I set myself a git repository
>>> on
>>> GitHub at: https://github.com/AndyMender/mrxvt [4] [4] [3] [1] [1]
>>>
>>>
>>> Please if the goal is actually to take maintainership of the
>>> project, you should keep its history pristine. So the git commit
>>> must reflect the SVN commits. Also the SVN branches should be moved
>>> as git branches. Same for tags.
>>> See:
>>>
>>
>> https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-and-Other-Systems-Migrating-to-Git
>> [7]
>>  [7]
>>
>> [4]
>>>
>>> [2]
>>>
>>> If something is not in order, please do let me know. I still have
>>> much
>>>
>>> to learn in terms of GIT usage. Meanwhile, I shall proceed with
>>> building
>>> the AUR package(s).
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Andy Mender
>>>
>>> On 8 September 2016 at 15:30, <gi1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 08, 2016 at 03:13:12PM +0200, Andy Mender wrote:
>>>
>>> I am in the process of preparing a PKGBUILD for Arch Linux to add
>>> mrxvt to AUR. I noticed that active development of this terminal
>>> emulator has somewhat ceased. Would it be possible for me to join
>>> development or fork the project to a git repository? I am far
>>> more
>>> familiar with git than with SourceForge.
>>>
>>> That's Free Software, so there is no need to ask for forking.
>>> Though
>>> it's always cool to say it of course. ;-)
>>> But if you mean rather to do a rebirth of the project (i.e.
>>> keeping
>>> the name and simply moving the upstream to a new repository), then
>>> that's worth discussing.
>>> I am in favor to say that we should see after a few commits at
>>> least,
>>> and then if it looks like you are really giving a second life to
>>> mrxvt, we should go for it and officially give maintainership.
>>>
>>> Dear Andy,
>>>
>>> I use mrxvt as my only terminal emulator on about 5 different
>>> systems
>>> (all Debian). I've also completely run out of free time, so I
>>> will
>>> only
>>> ever fix bugs that affect me!
>>>
>>> I would love it if we moved from SVN to git! Sourceforge has git,
>>> so we
>>> needn't move away from SourceForge. But can move if the person
>>> doing the
>>> work chooses.
>>>
>>
>>     I would prefer not staying on Sourceforge after the unfortunate
>>    events which happened (even though it changed ownership since
>> then).
>>    Anyway I see that you chose Github above.
>>
>> If you want admin access so you can udpate the website / tracker
>>>> let me
>>>> know. (I think Jehan volunteered to move everything to GitLab
>>>> sometime ago but he ran out of time as well...).
>>>>
>>>
>>     Yes I am very sorry for this. I really wanted to keep hacking
>>  mrxvt,
>>    and really wanted to finish someday my work rather than keeping
>> this
>>    unfinished feeling. But now I see that I don't think I can make the
>>    time for this anymore. It is not my main priority nowadays.
>>
>>     So it is better if someone takes the baby from us.
>>
>>     Since you seem a little unfamiliar with all git arcanes, I can at
>>    least take the time to rewrite the history into a git repository on
>>    github, then you can simply "fork" from it. Would you want this?
>> But
>>    please don't work from a broken history. It just won't do it!
>>
>>     Also why did you add release tarball and patch files directly into
>>    the tree root?
>>     I see also you have committed a lot of generated files. Do not
>>   commit
>>    generated files (sometimes there are acceptable reasons for some
>>    generated files, but here this is not the case for all the build
>>   files
>>    you added).
>>
>>     If you could please fix all these issues first? :-)
>>     Thanks.
>>
>>     Jehan
>>
>> GI
>>>>
>>>
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