Hi Judy,
yes I looked at you proposals. And I see a dilema here.
I asked Markus M. if he might have the time to create your second
proposal. I'm not sure if this can be done for 1.3 or not. But we have
not developed the episode service. There was somehow between others no
agreement on this, so that this is not changed yet. Your requested
changed is very minor to me and I would not see that the usability will
be improved by this change very much.
But the important question to me is: how will we deal with other
upcoming features in Matterhorn? Can useful enhancements be blocked
because the usability is not too good? Wouldn't we demotivate developers
to contribute their code?
I would say we need a (style-)guide that gives advice to developers what
they have to regard that their code will be accepted. For sure it should
be possible, even then, to refuse a new feature as a group if we have
good reasons, but it should not be possible for minor reasons that
should be covered by the guide.
In general an UX expert should be involved in the development of the UI
for a new feature, but you know best probably that this is not possible
because of limited resources.
Rüdiger
Am 24.02.2012 18:41, schrieb Judy Stern:
Rüdiger,
My intention was not to block, but to ensure that a (potentially) very simple
sol'n to the UX issues was considered before we move forward. As I said, it
wouldn't take much to get me to reverse my vote. Did you look at the design I
proposed?
Judy
On Feb 23, 2012, at 2:00 AM, Ruediger Rolf wrote:
Hi Judy,
okay. Then this is probably stopped, as no one has supported this and you block
this. I hope you are available on the matterhorn users-list after the release
to explain to adopters how they can activate the episode management in their
release.
Rüdiger
Am 22.02.2012 17:50, schrieb Judy Stern:
And just to make sure that this #proposal doesn't go thru without further
discussion, I want to make it clear that I'm voting -1 for now.
(This doesn't mean you can't change my mind, i.e. if my design counterproposal
is really harder to implement that it looks..but really all I'm asking for is a
move from top-level navigation to a subnavigation.)
Judy
On Feb 21, 2012, at 9:41 AM, Judy Stern wrote:
While I agree that the Episode service is very valuable, from a UX perspective,
I think it is a mistake to have it available by default exactly as is, for many
reasons that I have explained in the earlier thread [3]. The mockup you point
to, Rüdiger, is the more ambitious one that I understand we can not possibly
implement at this time. I did also, however, propose two simpler approaches,
which keep the two UI's (one for looking at workflow instances, the other for
managing media packages) on separate pages but do not make them seem so
completely unrelated and do not introduce potentially confusing terminology. In
particular, Approach 2 [4] changes very little (I believe, perhaps naively, it
would be very easy to implement), but simply makes both UI's available under
the Recordings tab. I would like to propose this (or something very similar) as
a counterproposal.
Judy
[3]
http://opencast.3480289.n2.nabble.com/Renaming-the-quot-Recordings-quot-tab-proposal-td6783119i20.html#a6803786
[4]
http://opencast.jira.com/wiki/display/MH/Keeping+Episodes+UI+Separate+from+Workflow+Instances+UI#KeepingEpisodesUISeparatefromWorkflowInstancesUI-Approach2
On Feb 21, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Ruediger Rolf wrote:
Hi list,
in the developer meeting today the question came up why the Episode UI [1] is
not activated by default. Several people have not noticed this feature yet
because of this.
There was some discussion on this UI when it was created and there was not been
a concensus on this UI. So the solution to this was to deactivate by default.
There were some
But the Episode service is one of the main enhancements in 1.3 and anyone in
the dev meeting today felt sorry that most users cannot use it because of the
hidden UI.
There is already a proposal on how to combine the workflow and the episode
service in the UI [2], but implementing this is out of focus for 1.3 and maybe
even for 1.4 as no one has himself commited to this feature yet.
So the proposal is to active the "episode" UI despite all concerns, with no or
only minor changes (changing the name of the tab i.e.). We want to avoid a long
discussion that may delay the release, as we hope that the release is only one release
blocker away... so let us keep the discussion short and give your +1 or -1.
Thanks
Rüdiger
[1] see here how to activated this:
http://opencast.jira.com/wiki/display/MH/The+Episode+Service
[2] I hope I found the right mockup:
http://opencast.jira.com/wiki/display/MH/Combining+Episodes+and+Workflow+Instances
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