Although, this raises an thought for the matterhorn@ list. Do we want to
continue to send all Jira activity to the list? Do you all find this
useful? If not everyone wants this, then we could do it differently. We
can create a filter in Jira that shows all matterhorn issues and those
who want this could subscribe to the filter individually.
Just a thought...
Michelle
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Opencast Matterhorn] Migration of Opencast's mailing
lists to Google Apps/Groups
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:32:27 -0800
From: Michelle Ziegmann <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
Organization: University of California Berkeley
To: Opencast Matterhorn <[email protected]>,
[email protected], [email protected]
Matjaz,
Thank you for pointing this out - I hadn't thought about sending limits,
so I'm glad you brought this up.
However, it looks like this shouldn't be an issue for us. The references
you provided are referring to sending limits per user by email. The
sending limits through Google Groups messages is much higher. Also note
that we are using the paid Google Apps for Business edition (1 user
license), which has greater allowances than the free or trial edition.
The limits are as follows:
Total recipients per group: 6,200,000 per hour
Total external recipients per group: 10,000 per day
Total external recipients per domain: 10,000 per day
With these limits I think we should be okay for a while. Our largest
group - community@ - currently has 730 subscribers. See
http://support.google.com/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=2524618&topic=14869&ctx=topic.
Thanks!
Michelle
On 11/26/12 3:15 PM, Matjaz Batic Finzgar wrote:
I thing the issue will be the limit of 500 external recipients per
message.
http://support.google.com/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=166852&from=166862&rd=1
more info:
http://support.google.com/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=167085
Best regards, Matjaz
On 26.11.2012 20:36, Michelle Ziegmann wrote:
Hello everyone - sorry to cross-post, but this proposal concerns all
Opencast mailing lists.
The Opencast board and Matterhorn committers have been piloting the
use of the service Google Groups for Business under a Google Apps
Opencast instance. Finding the service to work very well - with the
exception of 1 known issue (see below) - we would like to proceed and
migrate all of Opencast's mailing lists to this new service beginning
in December.
The benefits gained from moving to Google Apps for our mailing lists
are:
- No organization needs to maintain a mailing list server, or
contribute a systems administrator to maintain it (this has been an
issue)
- Better list management tools and features, improved spam control
(makes Michelle happy)
- Ability for users to create and subscribe to a single thread, as
opposed to having to join a list in order to ask a question (the
requirement to subscribe to a list in order to ask a support question
is a barrier for some)
- Ability for users to respond to old posts (people try to do this
frequently through Nabble, but it doesn't usually work)
- Integrated mailing list and archive (the Nabble archive confuses
several people each week)
Known Issue: If your email address is managed under a different
instance of Google Apps, you may not be able to subscribe to an
Opencast mailing list with that email address. For example,
@berkeley.edu email is now managed through Google Apps, and I cannot
subscribe [email protected] to an Opencast mailing list on
Google. I believe this is because Berkeley has not enabled Google
Groups in their Google instance (I can subscribe with a different
Google-managed email address in which Groups has been enabled), so
not all Google-managed email addresses may experience this problem.
The workaround is to subscribe under a different email address or ask
your Google Apps administrators to enable Groups.
The other big change you should be aware of is that the domain name
for the mailing lists will change. We have been slowly moving away
from our original opencastproject.org domain toward the more recently
acquired opencast.org, since Opencast is more than a single project. So
[email protected] will become [email protected].
Less typing is a good thing, but will take some time before we all
get our autocompletes updated.
The migration effort will involve setting up the mailing lists and
adding all current mailing list subscribers to the Google groups. The
old mailing lists will remain active for some time during the
transition, but will include a reminder to discontinue using the old
lists. We could possibly also set up old posts to forward to the new
list automatically. Any suggestions for a smoother transition are
appreciated. At some point, we also need to consider what to do about
the old Nabble archives. We will start building a new archive in our
Google instance, so Nabble will soon become irrelevant, redundant and
confusing to keep around - a discussion for another day though I think.
If you have any concerns or comments about the migration to Google
Apps/Google Groups, please let us know ASAP. I hope to initiate the
migration effort during the month of December, as long as there are
no concerns raised by the community.
Thanks!
Michelle
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Michelle Ziegmann PMP
Technical Project Manager
Educational Technology Services
University of California Berkeley
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