Hi all, There's another option that hasn't been mentioned yet, a DIY version called appmakr, from http://www.appmakr.com/.
I haven't used it so I can't speak from personal experience - perhaps someone else on the List can , but people like Guy Kawaski and Seth Godin, well respected social media bloggers and authors, have used it to make apps that are for sale in the iPhone app store, so that gives it some credibility. It's worth checking out while you're doing your research. Best, Robin Robin White Owen M: 917/407-7641 T: 646/472-5145 robin at mediacombo.net www.mediacombo.net http://mediacomb.net/blog twitter.com/rocombo On Mar 11, 2010, at 12:11 PM, mcn-l-request at mcn.edu wrote: > Send mcn-l mailing list submissions to > mcn-l at mcn.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mcn-l-request at mcn.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > mcn-l-owner at mcn.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of mcn-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. ye olde TIF vs. JPEG2000 debate (Perian Sully) > 2. Re: ye olde TIF vs. JPEG2000 debate (Mia) > 3. Re: ye olde TIF vs. JPEG2000 debate (Chuck Patch) > 4. Re: Medium format Digital cameras (Titus Bicknell) > 5. Re: ye olde TIF vs. JPEG2000 debate (Frank E. Thomson) > 6. Re: ye olde TIF vs. JPEG2000 debate (Perian Sully) > 7. Technology Disaster (Melissa Johnson) > 8. Re: ye olde TIF vs. JPEG2000 debate (Michael Stocking) > 9. altera??o de endere?o (webmaster at mnarqueologia-ipmuseus.pt) > 10. Re: ye olde TIF vs. JPEG2000 debate (Peter MacDonald) > 11. Re: Medium format Digital cameras (Travis Fullerton) > 12. IP SIG: Copyright Program at Suffolk Law School, Boston > (Amalyah Keshet [akeshet at imj.org.il]) > 13. Re: iPhone app discussion (Proctor, Nancy) > 14. Re: ye olde TIF vs. JPEG2000 debate (Diane Lee) > 15. Re: Medium format Digital cameras (David Almeida) > 16. Re: iPhone app discussion (MuseumPods) > 17. Re: iPhone app discussion (David Lynx) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:11:43 -0800 > From: "Perian Sully" <psully at magnes.org> > Subject: [MCN-L] ye olde TIF vs. JPEG2000 debate > To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu> > Message-ID: <AD775DE5635C2042BF1DCB7EED36A83B85003B at jlm-net.jlm.local> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Howdy everyone: > > I'm in the midst of reprocessing all (!!) of our image assets > from .NEF > (a RAW format) and I'm wondering if I should take another look at > JPEG2000 now. > > When I first started imaging the collection, JPEG2000 was in its > infancy > and not widely adopted. As a result, I have my master files in NEF and > TIF, my high-quality derivatives in TIF, and my accessible and web- > ready > images in JPG. > > Part of this reprocessing will including making new copies of the > high-quality derivatives as well as the accessible JPGs. So I'm > wondering if I should replace the HQ derivative TIFs with JPEG2000 at > this time. > > Anyone have any opinions, experiences or suggestions before I commit > to > this? > > ~Perian > > Perian Sully > Collections Information Manager > Web Programs Strategist > The Magnes > 2911 Russell St. > Berkeley, CA 94705 > Work: 510-549-6950 x 357 > Fax: 510-849-3673 > http://www.magnes.org > http://www.musematic.org > http://www.mediaandtechnology.org > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:34:29 +0000 > From: Mia <mia.ridge at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MCN-L] ye olde TIF vs. JPEG2000 debate > To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu> > Message-ID: > <acbaa5331003101534s45d1674duf4ac3775da6a4dc4 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On 10 March 2010 23:11, Perian Sully <psully at magnes.org> wrote: > >> >> Part of this reprocessing will including making new copies of the >> high-quality derivatives as well as the accessible JPGs. So I'm >> wondering if I should replace the HQ derivative TIFs with JPEG2000 at >> this time. >> > > The UK's Wellcome Library announced they were using JPEG2000 last > year - > they've blogged about it at > http://wellcomelibrary.blogspot.com/2009/09/wellcome-library-to-use-jpeg2000-image.html > > . > The page also includes a copy of the report that informed their > decision, or > you can download it directly at > http://library.wellcome.ac.uk/assets/wtx056572.pdf > > I'd be interested to hear what you decide to do - JPEG2000 looks > interesting > for its ability to offer deep zooming for publication online but > it's hard > to get a sense of how widely it's supported or used. > > cheers, Mia > > -------------------------------------------- > http://openobjects.org.uk/ > http://twitter.com/mia_out > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:34:26 -0500 > From: Chuck Patch <chuck.patch at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MCN-L] ye olde TIF vs. JPEG2000 debate > To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu> > Message-ID: > <639de3631003101534y1fbe08a3vf475d26b64c7cfda at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Perian, > > Before making a major commitment to JP2000, you might consider > converting > those NEF's to DNG, which remains (so far as I am aware - and I expect > others to jump in momentarily) more widely implemented than JP2000. > There > are certainly more tools that can use it. As you go forward, you > need to > consider what your clients can use/want. > > Chuck > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Perian Sully <psully at magnes.org> > wrote: > >> Howdy everyone: >> >> I'm in the midst of reprocessing all (!!) of our image assets >> from .NEF >> (a RAW format) and I'm wondering if I should take another look at >> JPEG2000 now. >> >> When I first started imaging the collection, JPEG2000 was in its >> infancy >> and not widely adopted. As a result, I have my master files in NEF >> and >> TIF, my high-quality derivatives in TIF, and my accessible and web- >> ready >> images in JPG. >> >> Part of this reprocessing will including making new copies of the >> high-quality derivatives as well as the accessible JPGs. So I'm >> wondering if I should replace the HQ derivative TIFs with JPEG2000 at >> this time. >> >> Anyone have any opinions, experiences or suggestions before I >> commit to >> this? >> >> ~Perian >> >> Perian Sully >> Collections Information Manager >> Web Programs Strategist >> The Magnes >> 2911 Russell St. >> Berkeley, CA 94705 >> Work: 510-549-6950 x 357 >> Fax: 510-849-3673 >> http://www.magnes.org >> http://www.musematic.org >> http://www.mediaandtechnology.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >> Computer >> Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >> >> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >> >> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >> >> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ >> > > > > -- > Chuck Patch > Museum Information Management Consulting > 403 Edgevale Rd > Baltimore MD 21210 > 410-366-3613 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:38:38 -0500 > From: Titus Bicknell <titus at bicknell.com> > Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Medium format Digital cameras > To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu> > Message-ID: <EE91F147-B7DA-4D51-B317-FFF81AFCDB37 at bicknell.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > I would recommend the Hasselblad camera, either H2 or H4, but with > the Phase One digital back since IMHO Hasselblad makes better > cameras, Phase One better digital backs. > > We have had very good results with an H2 and a P45+. > > Yours > > Titus > > Titus Bicknell | @titusbicknell | +1.240.271.9735 > titus at bicknell.com | http://www.titusbicknell.com > 703 Dale Drive | Silver Spring | MD 20910 | USA > > On Mar 10, 2010, at 9:09 AM, David Almeida wrote: > >> Hi Titus, >> >> The camera to use with any of those backs it would be the Phase One >> 645 AF. >> >> >> David Almeida >> Digital Library Technician >> >> The Wolfsonian >> FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL UNIVERSITY >> >> 1001 Washington Avenue >> Miami Beach, Florida 33139 >> t 305-535-2634 >> f 305-53-52639 >> davida at thewolf.fiu.edu >> www.wolfsonian.org >> >> Join Us >> Membership >> >> Support Us >> Make a Gift >> >> Add Us >> facebook >> >> Follow Us >> twitter >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On >> Behalf Of Titus Bicknell >> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:18 PM >> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv >> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Medium format Digital cameras >> >> Dear David, >> >> you listed the Phase One P40+ and P45+ digital backs but not which >> camera you would be using them with? >> >> Titus Bicknell | @titusbicknell | +1.240.271.9735 >> titus at bicknell.com | http://www.titusbicknell.com >> 703 Dale Drive | Silver Spring | MD 20910 | USA >> >> On Mar 9, 2010, at 9:34 AM, David Almeida wrote: >> >>> Dear Colleagues, >>> >>> >>> >>> The institution I work for is in the process of acquiring two Medium >>> >>> format digital cameras and we have been trying to get reviews on a >>> >>> couple of cameras. Does anyone have experience using this type of >>> >>> camera, specifically the "Phase One" and/or "Hasselblad"? We are >>> looking >>> >>> into getting either the Phase One P40+, P45+ or the Hasselblad >>> H4D-40. >>> >>> >>> >>> It would be particularly helpful to know more about image quality, >>> ease >>> >>> of use, durability, technical assistance, etc. Any feedback is >>> welcome >>> >>> and would be appreciated. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> David Almeida<mailto:davida at thewolf.fiu.edu> >>> Digital Library Technician<mailto:davida at thewolf.fiu.edu> >>> >>> The Wolfsonian<http://www.wolfsonian.org/> >>> FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL UNIVERSITY<http://www.fiu.edu/> >>> >>> 1001 Washington Avenue >>> Miami Beach, Florida 33139 >>> t 305-535-2634 >>> f 305-53-52639 >>> davida at thewolf.fiu.edu<mailto:davida at thewolf.fiu.edu> >>> www.wolfsonian.org<http://www.wolfsonian.org/> >>> >>> Join Us >>> Membership<http://membership.wolfsonian.org/> >>> >>> Support Us >>> Make a Gift<http://www.wolfsonian.org/donate.asp> >>> >>> Add Us >>> facebook<http://www.facebook.com/pages/Miami-Beach-FL/The-Wolfsonian-Florida-International-University/61756001329 >>> >>> > >>> >>> Follow Us >>> twitter<http://twitter.com/wolfsonian> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >>> Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >>> >>> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >>> >>> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >>> >>> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >> Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >> >> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >> >> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >> >> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ >> _______________________________________________ >> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >> Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >> >> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >> >> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >> >> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:30:13 -0500 > From: "Frank E. Thomson" <FThomson at ashevilleart.org> > Subject: Re: [MCN-L] ye olde TIF vs. JPEG2000 debate > To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu> > Message-ID: > <6905D9194DC5B6489FA18E7E0763D97420F27F7078 at server4.ashart.local> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I think right now JPEG2000 is more a specialized tool, some web > software use it to allow you to zoom in without getting the whole > big file. Unless you download multiple sections and stitch them back > together. But I digress. I think right now I would still use tiff or > some raw format dng or nef as my master file. > > > > Frank Thomson, Curator > Asheville Art Museum > PO Box 1717 > Asheville, NC 28802 > 828.253.3227 > fthomson at ashevilleart.org > www.ashevilleart.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf > Of Perian Sully > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:12 PM > To: Museum Computer Network Listserv > Subject: [MCN-L] ye olde TIF vs. JPEG2000 debate > > Howdy everyone: > > I'm in the midst of reprocessing all (!!) of our image assets > from .NEF (a RAW format) and I'm wondering if I should take another > look at > JPEG2000 now. > > When I first started imaging the collection, JPEG2000 was in its > infancy and not widely adopted. As a result, I have my master files > in NEF and TIF, my high-quality derivatives in TIF, and my > accessible and web-ready images in JPG. > > Part of this reprocessing will including making new copies of the > high-quality derivatives as well as the accessible JPGs. So I'm > wondering if I should replace the HQ derivative TIFs with JPEG2000 > at this time. > > Anyone have any opinions, experiences or suggestions before I commit > to this? > > ~Perian > > Perian Sully > Collections Information Manager > Web Programs Strategist > The Magnes > 2911 Russell St. > Berkeley, CA 94705 > Work: 510-549-6950 x 357 > Fax: 510-849-3673 > http://www.magnes.org > http://www.musematic.org > http://www.mediaandtechnology.org > > _______________________________________________ > You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum > Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) > > To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu > > To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: > http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l > > The MCN-L archives can be found at: > http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:47:57 -0800 > From: "Perian Sully" <psully at magnes.org> > Subject: Re: [MCN-L] ye olde TIF vs. JPEG2000 debate > To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu> > Message-ID: <AD775DE5635C2042BF1DCB7EED36A83B85003F at jlm-net.jlm.local> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Thanks everyone for your responses so far. > > I should clarify that what I'm looking at is not to replace the NEFs > to > JPEG2000, but the first-tier derivative TIFs. Mostly I'm considering > JPEG2000 as a space-saving measure, to have very large files > accessible > internally, or from which to create images for rights & reproduction > use. > > For the most part, our only "free range" images are the lower-quality > JPGs that we publish in our online database. We don't have a zoomify > function or anything like that, so I publish these images in full. > > ~P > > Perian Sully > Collections Information Manager > Web Programs Strategist > The Magnes > Berkeley, CA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf > Of > Chuck Patch > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 3:34 PM > To: Museum Computer Network Listserv > Subject: Re: [MCN-L] ye olde TIF vs. JPEG2000 debate > > Hi Perian, > > Before making a major commitment to JP2000, you might consider > converting > those NEF's to DNG, which remains (so far as I am aware - and I expect > others to jump in momentarily) more widely implemented than JP2000. > There > are certainly more tools that can use it. As you go forward, you > need to > consider what your clients can use/want. > > Chuck > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Perian Sully <psully at magnes.org> > wrote: > >> Howdy everyone: >> >> I'm in the midst of reprocessing all (!!) of our image assets from > .NEF >> (a RAW format) and I'm wondering if I should take another look at >> JPEG2000 now. >> >> When I first started imaging the collection, JPEG2000 was in its > infancy >> and not widely adopted. As a result, I have my master files in NEF >> and >> TIF, my high-quality derivatives in TIF, and my accessible and > web-ready >> images in JPG. >> >> Part of this reprocessing will including making new copies of the >> high-quality derivatives as well as the accessible JPGs. So I'm >> wondering if I should replace the HQ derivative TIFs with JPEG2000 at >> this time. >> >> Anyone have any opinions, experiences or suggestions before I commit > to >> this? >> >> ~Perian >> >> Perian Sully >> Collections Information Manager >> Web Programs Strategist >> The Magnes >> 2911 Russell St. >> Berkeley, CA 94705 >> Work: 510-549-6950 x 357 >> Fax: 510-849-3673 >> http://www.magnes.org >> http://www.musematic.org >> http://www.mediaandtechnology.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum > Computer >> Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >> >> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >> >> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >> >> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ >> > > > > -- > Chuck Patch > Museum Information Management Consulting > 403 Edgevale Rd > Baltimore MD 21210 > 410-366-3613 > _______________________________________________ > You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum > Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) > > To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu > > To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: > http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l > > The MCN-L archives can be found at: > http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:20:32 -0800 > From: Melissa Johnson <mjohnson at historysanjose.org> > Subject: [MCN-L] Technology Disaster > To: mcn-l at mcn.edu > Message-ID: > <3f342fff1003101620k7a1f24d6x9295c128ead15e7e at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello MCN Listserv, > > I'm not sure what I am hoping to gain by posting this message other > than > sympathy. Well, and maybe, to share our own technology disaster > experience. > This is somewhat long but entertaining. Or, at least, shocking. > > Disclaimer: I am one of the many accidental techies in the museum > world. So, > please excuse any improper use of the words: router, switch, shared > drive, > UPS, network drive, phone computer, network cable, etc. > > On January 19, 2010 there was a pretty big thunderstorm in Silicon > Valley, > which does get very much lightning. In the early afternoon there was a > bright flash of light and a big clap of thunder, not surprisingly > the power > went out. After power was restored, we discovered that History Park > had been > struck by lighting and suffered a massive power surge. It took us a > few days > to discover the full extent of the damage. > > We found that the UPS connected to our server was not only dead but > had > scorch marks on the back. Our hope was that the UPS had done it's > job and > protected the server. No luck. The server wouldn't start up. (And, > to make > the lesson even more valuable, I was going to order a new, real backup > system that afternoon.) We kept our fingers crossed that the data > would be > okay. After about a week our part-time IT contractor was able to > gain access > to the hard drive and the data was fine. Now, we just had to wait > for the > new server to arrive. > > Next we checked the UPS that is connected to our telephone > computer/firewall/switch set up. The UPS had survived but did not do > it' s > job. Phone computer dead. When our vendor came out to fix it, he was > very > surprised that the UPS hadn't prevented the power surge. The > firewall was > fried but we had an extra (don't ask) and the switch was dead. > Luckily, it > was still under warranty. Over the next few days we got the phones and > network back up and running for most of the staff. > > History San Jos? has two sites that are across the street from each > other > and connected with a T1 connection. After we got the network back up > the > second site (where my office is) still did not have access to phones > or > internet. We didn't realize that the power surge had traveled down the > network cable to the other side of the building and fried a router > which > connects the phones and network to the second site. No vendor would > claim > knowledge of the routers and I could not find an invoice for them. I > finally > remembered that the routers were credited (aka given) to us as an > incentive > to upgrade our service. We didn't know the passwords to these > routers and > the vendor who installed them has since closed. The password to the > routers > was eventually cracked and connection was restored. The staff at the > second > site was without communication for 30 days. > > Lessons Learned: > --Have a real backup system and procedures. > --Good relationship with vendors so they will come to your rescue. > --Beware of vendors bearing free equipment. > --Google Apps saved our sanity. > > I hope this was informative, or at least, entertaining. In addition > to our > technology problems, the lightning strike also took out 3 elevators, > 1 light > tower, and 1 refractor (?) that runs our trolley. As of today, we > have our > new server and backup system installed, working phones, and access > to email > and the internet. It's nice to be back in the 21st century! > > -- Melissa > ------------------------- > Melissa Johnson > Curator of Interactive Media > history|san jos? > 408.521.5021 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:22:59 +0000 > From: Michael Stocking <michael at armadillosystems.com> > Subject: Re: [MCN-L] ye olde TIF vs. JPEG2000 debate > To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu> > Message-ID: > <A3A518B2-1B02-4139-A78A-74ED05455F20 at armadillosystems.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I'd recommend taking a look at the Djatoka Image Server project > coming out of Los Alamos. It's designed to serve up JPEG2000s in a > variety of ways in real-world scenarios: > http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/djatoka/index.php? > title=Main_Page > > They presented at Open Repositories last year I think. > M > ========================= > Michael Stocking > Managing Director > Armadillo Systems > 300 Kensal Road > London W10 5BE > +44 (0)20 8960 8600 > michael at armadillosystems.com > www.armadillosystems.com > www.turningthepages.com > http://digitalcultureonline.blogspot.com/ > > > > > On 10 Mar 2010, at 23:47, Perian Sully wrote: > >> Thanks everyone for your responses so far. >> >> I should clarify that what I'm looking at is not to replace the >> NEFs to >> JPEG2000, but the first-tier derivative TIFs. Mostly I'm considering >> JPEG2000 as a space-saving measure, to have very large files >> accessible >> internally, or from which to create images for rights & reproduction >> use. >> >> For the most part, our only "free range" images are the lower-quality >> JPGs that we publish in our online database. We don't have a zoomify >> function or anything like that, so I publish these images in full. >> >> ~P >> >> Perian Sully >> Collections Information Manager >> Web Programs Strategist >> The Magnes >> Berkeley, CA >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On >> Behalf Of >> Chuck Patch >> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 3:34 PM >> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv >> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] ye olde TIF vs. JPEG2000 debate >> >> Hi Perian, >> >> Before making a major commitment to JP2000, you might consider >> converting >> those NEF's to DNG, which remains (so far as I am aware - and I >> expect >> others to jump in momentarily) more widely implemented than JP2000. >> There >> are certainly more tools that can use it. As you go forward, you >> need to >> consider what your clients can use/want. >> >> Chuck >> >> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Perian Sully <psully at magnes.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Howdy everyone: >>> >>> I'm in the midst of reprocessing all (!!) of our image assets from >> .NEF >>> (a RAW format) and I'm wondering if I should take another look at >>> JPEG2000 now. >>> >>> When I first started imaging the collection, JPEG2000 was in its >> infancy >>> and not widely adopted. As a result, I have my master files in NEF >>> and >>> TIF, my high-quality derivatives in TIF, and my accessible and >> web-ready >>> images in JPG. >>> >>> Part of this reprocessing will including making new copies of the >>> high-quality derivatives as well as the accessible JPGs. So I'm >>> wondering if I should replace the HQ derivative TIFs with JPEG2000 >>> at >>> this time. >>> >>> Anyone have any opinions, experiences or suggestions before I commit >> to >>> this? >>> >>> ~Perian >>> >>> Perian Sully >>> Collections Information Manager >>> Web Programs Strategist >>> The Magnes >>> 2911 Russell St. >>> Berkeley, CA 94705 >>> Work: 510-549-6950 x 357 >>> Fax: 510-849-3673 >>> http://www.magnes.org >>> http://www.musematic.org >>> http://www.mediaandtechnology.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >> Computer >>> Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >>> >>> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >>> >>> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >>> >>> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Chuck Patch >> Museum Information Management Consulting >> 403 Edgevale Rd >> Baltimore MD 21210 >> 410-366-3613 >> _______________________________________________ >> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >> Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >> >> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >> >> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >> >> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ >> _______________________________________________ >> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >> Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >> >> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >> >> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >> >> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:25:01 -0500 > From: webmaster at mnarqueologia-ipmuseus.pt > Subject: [MCN-L] altera??o de endere?o > To: mcn-l at mcn.edu > Message-ID: > <c41b8b60714c4817b2bd5d9060aca864 at 629095a0d2d54bba8bb88ab983fe9894> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Este endere?o foi alterado. Por favor consulte www.mnarqueologia-ipmuseus.pt > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:02:58 -0500 > From: Peter MacDonald <pmacdona at hamilton.edu> > Subject: Re: [MCN-L] ye olde TIF vs. JPEG2000 debate > To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu> > Message-ID: <4B98F812.5060203 at hamilton.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > You might want to read the following article where the authors decided > not to use JPEG2000 for their project for several reason. Here are > three > of them: > > 1. JPEG2000 does not preserve the TIFF technical metadata when > converted > to JPEG2000 > 2. JPEG2000 files are more inconvenient to OCR than TIFF > 3. JPEG2000 has no browser support yet > > From TIFF to JPEG 2000? (D-Lib Magazine, November/December 2009) > http://www.dlib.org/dlib/november09/kulovits/11kulovits.html > > Peter > > Michael Stocking wrote: >> I'd recommend taking a look at the Djatoka Image Server project >> coming out of Los Alamos. It's designed to serve up JPEG2000s in a >> variety of ways in real-world scenarios: >> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/djatoka/index.php?title=Main_Page >> >> They presented at Open Repositories last year I think. >> M >> ========================= >> Michael Stocking >> Managing Director >> Armadillo Systems >> 300 Kensal Road >> London W10 5BE >> +44 (0)20 8960 8600 >> michael at armadillosystems.com >> www.armadillosystems.com >> www.turningthepages.com >> http://digitalcultureonline.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> >> >> On 10 Mar 2010, at 23:47, Perian Sully wrote: >> >> >>> Thanks everyone for your responses so far. >>> >>> I should clarify that what I'm looking at is not to replace the >>> NEFs to >>> JPEG2000, but the first-tier derivative TIFs. Mostly I'm considering >>> JPEG2000 as a space-saving measure, to have very large files >>> accessible >>> internally, or from which to create images for rights& reproduction >>> use. >>> >>> For the most part, our only "free range" images are the lower- >>> quality >>> JPGs that we publish in our online database. We don't have a zoomify >>> function or anything like that, so I publish these images in full. >>> >>> ~P >>> >>> Perian Sully >>> Collections Information Manager >>> Web Programs Strategist >>> The Magnes >>> Berkeley, CA >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On >>> Behalf Of >>> Chuck Patch >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 3:34 PM >>> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv >>> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] ye olde TIF vs. JPEG2000 debate >>> >>> Hi Perian, >>> >>> Before making a major commitment to JP2000, you might consider >>> converting >>> those NEF's to DNG, which remains (so far as I am aware - and I >>> expect >>> others to jump in momentarily) more widely implemented than JP2000. >>> There >>> are certainly more tools that can use it. As you go forward, you >>> need to >>> consider what your clients can use/want. >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Perian Sully<psully at magnes.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Howdy everyone: >>>> >>>> I'm in the midst of reprocessing all (!!) of our image assets from >>>> >>> .NEF >>> >>>> (a RAW format) and I'm wondering if I should take another look at >>>> JPEG2000 now. >>>> >>>> When I first started imaging the collection, JPEG2000 was in its >>>> >>> infancy >>> >>>> and not widely adopted. As a result, I have my master files in >>>> NEF and >>>> TIF, my high-quality derivatives in TIF, and my accessible and >>>> >>> web-ready >>> >>>> images in JPG. >>>> >>>> Part of this reprocessing will including making new copies of the >>>> high-quality derivatives as well as the accessible JPGs. So I'm >>>> wondering if I should replace the HQ derivative TIFs with >>>> JPEG2000 at >>>> this time. >>>> >>>> Anyone have any opinions, experiences or suggestions before I >>>> commit >>>> >>> to >>> >>>> this? >>>> >>>> ~Perian >>>> >>>> Perian Sully >>>> Collections Information Manager >>>> Web Programs Strategist >>>> The Magnes >>>> 2911 Russell St. >>>> Berkeley, CA 94705 >>>> Work: 510-549-6950 x 357 >>>> Fax: 510-849-3673 >>>> http://www.magnes.org >>>> http://www.musematic.org >>>> http://www.mediaandtechnology.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >>>> >>> Computer >>> >>>> Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >>>> >>>> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >>>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >>>> >>>> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >>>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chuck Patch >>> Museum Information Management Consulting >>> 403 Edgevale Rd >>> Baltimore MD 21210 >>> 410-366-3613 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >>> Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >>> >>> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >>> >>> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >>> >>> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >>> Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >>> >>> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >>> >>> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >>> >>> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >> Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >> >> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >> >> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >> >> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ >> > > -- > Peter MacDonald > Library Information Systems Specialist > Hamilton College Library > pmacdona at hamilton.edu > 315-859-4493 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:26:00 -0500 > From: Travis Fullerton <Tfullerton at vmfa.state.va.us> > Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Medium format Digital cameras > To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu> > Message-ID: <C7BE67A8.64FF%Tfullerton at vmfa.state.va.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > The H4D40 is a camera system. The back is not separate, and cannot > be put > onto a Phase One camera. And an H4 camera doesn't work with any > other back. > Hasselblad only makes the CF back that is compatible with other > cameras > (mostly intended for use with V-system) > > Also, Hasselblad no longer makes the H2 for digital use, you would > need to > find a used one to work with a P45+ back, or any other back. The > only H2 > still in production is the H2F. It is for film use and it is not > 'tight' > enough for use with a digital back. > > Again, I think you should talk to the vendors and/or manufacturers > and try > this stuff out first hand. You wouldn't buy a car without test > driving it > first and you are talking about the same amount of money, if not > much more. > There are lots of little bits and pieces you may need in addition to > the > camera and the back in order to make all of this work. > > -Travis > > > > > > > > > > On 3/10/10 6:38 PM, "Titus Bicknell" <titus at bicknell.com> wrote: > >> >> I would recommend the Hasselblad camera, either H2 or H4, but with >> the Phase >> One digital back since IMHO Hasselblad makes better cameras, Phase >> One better >> digital backs. >> >> We have had very good results with an H2 and a P45+. >> >> Yours >> >> Titus >> >> Titus Bicknell | @titusbicknell | +1.240.271.9735 >> titus at bicknell.com | http://www.titusbicknell.com >> 703 Dale Drive | Silver Spring | MD 20910 | USA >> >> On Mar 10, 2010, at 9:09 AM, David Almeida wrote: >> >>> Hi Titus, >>> >>> The camera to use with any of those backs it would be the Phase >>> One 645 AF. >>> >>> >>> David Almeida >>> Digital Library Technician >>> >>> The Wolfsonian >>> FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL UNIVERSITY >>> >>> 1001 Washington Avenue >>> Miami Beach, Florida 33139 >>> t 305-535-2634 >>> f 305-53-52639 >>> davida at thewolf.fiu.edu >>> www.wolfsonian.org >>> >>> Join Us >>> Membership >>> >>> Support Us >>> Make a Gift >>> >>> Add Us >>> facebook >>> >>> Follow Us >>> twitter >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On >>> Behalf Of Titus >>> Bicknell >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:18 PM >>> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv >>> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Medium format Digital cameras >>> >>> Dear David, >>> >>> you listed the Phase One P40+ and P45+ digital backs but not which >>> camera you >>> would be using them with? >>> >>> Titus Bicknell | @titusbicknell | +1.240.271.9735 >>> titus at bicknell.com | http://www.titusbicknell.com >>> 703 Dale Drive | Silver Spring | MD 20910 | USA >>> >>> On Mar 9, 2010, at 9:34 AM, David Almeida wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Colleagues, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The institution I work for is in the process of acquiring two >>>> Medium >>>> >>>> format digital cameras and we have been trying to get reviews on a >>>> >>>> couple of cameras. Does anyone have experience using this type of >>>> >>>> camera, specifically the "Phase One" and/or "Hasselblad"? We are >>>> looking >>>> >>>> into getting either the Phase One P40+, P45+ or the Hasselblad >>>> H4D-40. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It would be particularly helpful to know more about image >>>> quality, ease >>>> >>>> of use, durability, technical assistance, etc. Any feedback is >>>> welcome >>>> >>>> and would be appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> David Almeida<mailto:davida at thewolf.fiu.edu> >>>> Digital Library Technician<mailto:davida at thewolf.fiu.edu> >>>> >>>> The Wolfsonian<http://www.wolfsonian.org/> >>>> FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL UNIVERSITY<http://www.fiu.edu/> >>>> >>>> 1001 Washington Avenue >>>> Miami Beach, Florida 33139 >>>> t 305-535-2634 >>>> f 305-53-52639 >>>> davida at thewolf.fiu.edu<mailto:davida at thewolf.fiu.edu> >>>> www.wolfsonian.org<http://www.wolfsonian.org/> >>>> >>>> Join Us >>>> Membership<http://membership.wolfsonian.org/> >>>> >>>> Support Us >>>> Make a Gift<http://www.wolfsonian.org/donate.asp> >>>> >>>> Add Us >>>> facebook<http://www.facebook.com/pages/Miami-Beach-FL/The-Wolfsonian-Florida >>>> -International-University/61756001329> >>>> >>>> Follow Us >>>> twitter<http://twitter.com/wolfsonian> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >>>> Computer >>>> Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >>>> >>>> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >>>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >>>> >>>> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >>>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >>> Computer >>> Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >>> >>> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >>> >>> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >>> >>> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >>> Computer >>> Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >>> >>> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >>> >>> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >>> >>> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >> Computer >> Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >> >> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >> >> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >> >> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:43:54 +0200 > From: "Amalyah Keshet [akeshet at imj.org.il]" <akeshet at imj.org.il> > Subject: [MCN-L] IP SIG: Copyright Program at Suffolk Law School, > Boston > To: 'Museum Computer Network Listserv' <mcn-l at mcn.edu> > Message-ID: > <9844AFCBFFF93540889F30E865CEFD784175499E61 at mailsrv.imj.org.il> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > ________________________________ > > DONAHUE LECTURE SERIES - Ten Ways to Conceive of the Derivative Work > Right in Copyright Law > > Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010 > > Location: Suffolk University Law School, 120 Tremont St., Boston, MA > > Time: 04:00 AM - 06:30 AM > > GUEST PANELIST > Professor Pamela Samuelson > Distinguished Professor of Law, Berkeley School of Law > Pamela Samuelson's principal area of expertise is intellectual > property law. She has written and spoken extensively about the > challenges that new information technologies are posing for public > policy and traditional legal regimes. Since 1996, she has served as > a Professor at the University of California at Berkeley with a joint > appointment in the School of Information, School of Law, and > Berkeley Center for Law and Technology. She also serves as an > advisor for the Samuelson Law, Technology and Public Policy Clinic, > which she co-founded in 2002. > > ________________________________________ > PANEL > > PROFESSOR JESSICA SILBEY, MODERATOR > Suffolk University Law School > > PROFESSOR PAMELA SAMUELSON, COMMENTARY > Distinguished Professor of Law, Berkeley School of Law > > PROFESSOR JULIE E. COHEN > Harvard University Law School > > PROFESSOR STEPHEN M. MCJOHN > Suffolk University Law School > > ALFRED C. YEN > Boston College Law School > > PROFESSOR JONATHAN ZITTRAIN, HARVARD LAW SCHOOL > Co-Founder and Faculty Co-Director, Berkman Center for Internet & > Society > ______________________________________________ > > To register for this program please go to: > > http://www.law.suffolk.edu/academic/als/coursedetail.cfm?cid=681##a > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:52:12 -0500 > From: "Proctor, Nancy" <ProctorN at si.edu> > Subject: Re: [MCN-L] iPhone app discussion > To: "mcn-l at mcn.edu" <mcn-l at mcn.edu> > Message-ID: <C7BE6DCC.1A687%proctorn at si.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I agree with Stephanie. Just yesterday I came across another company > offering this model in which the app & CMS are free to the museum, > and revenue is shared between the provider and museum on app or tour > sales. That brings my count to 4 that I'm aware of for sure: > > > 1. Toura > 2. uGuideMe > 3. MyToursApp > 4. Artful from CultureLabel > > There are a couple more that seem willing to consider this model: > > > * Spotlight Mobile > * Tristan Interactive > > And then there are the opensource solutions already being developed > and deployed, most notably by the Dallas Museum of Art and the IMA. > You can check them out on the Museum Mobile wiki: > http://wiki.MuseumMobile.info > > The important thing is to do your homework and be aware of what's > available on the market already before dropping money to reinvent > the wheel. It may be that your needs are so specific you do need a > bespoke-build app, in which case $30k seems to be in the ballpark of > going rates (I've heard quotes from $10-40k), and there are many > accomplished app developers out there who can help you. > > Also consider opportunity cost: it does take someone's time to > design the mobile experience, prepare assets and put them into an > app, no matter how user-friendly the CMS is (and hopefully it's > database driven to a large extent so it's possible to mass-import > content as well, rather than assemble every tour by hand). > > Of course, the biggest expense of all is creating quality content > that facilitates the experience your target audience needs. That's > where I'd prioritize the investment, because without good content, > it doesn't matter how technically slick your app is - the mobile > experience will still fail. > > Nancy > -- > Nancy Proctor, PhD > Head of New Media Initiatives > Smithsonian American Art Museum > MRC 970 PO Box 37012 > Washington DC 20013-7012 > USA > > t: +1-202-633-8439 > c: +1-301-642-6257 > f: +1-202-633-8455 > > http://www.americanart.si.edu > http://eyelevel.si.edu/ > > On 3/9/10 3:00 PM, "mcn-l-request at mcn.edu" <mcn-l-request at mcn.edu> > wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:31:07 -0800 > From: Stephanie Weaver <sweaver at experienceology.com> > Subject: [MCN-L] iPhone app discussion > To: mcn-l at mcn.edu > Message-ID: <B0BC3367-965C-4769-BB4A-DD4F7439FE8B at experienceology.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Kurt, > I go to many different conferences, and at each one in the last 18 > months I have met 1-2 companies who are creating a platform for apps > (some iPhone only, some smartphone). > > Nearly all of them are offering the platform for free, meaning: they > are giving the museums access to their CMS platform, and the museums > are supposed to create/upload the content from existing digital > assets. > > They are all doing some kind of revenue share on the app sales. I > don't know if/when this business model will be sustainable. I am also > a bit skeptical that small to mid-size museums will have the staffing > to find/format/create the content for the app. So, you could charge > for that portion of the service. > > The ones I don't think will work are the guys who want $30K up front > to create the app for the museum. Especially when folks like IMA are > about to open source their platforms. > > I think there will always be a place in the liaison role where you can > and should charge for your expertise. Maybe on a sliding scale. > > Hope this helps! > > Best, > > Stephanie Weaver > Visitor experience consultant > experienceology?: Because happy visitors return. > San Diego, CA > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:17:19 -0500 > From: "Diane Lee" <diane_lee at chs.org> > Subject: Re: [MCN-L] ye olde TIF vs. JPEG2000 debate > To: "'Museum Computer Network Listserv'" <mcn-l at mcn.edu> > Message-ID: <EF9AA5B4D7ED4390979F9AA584582FCF at local.chs.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1258" > > The digital online catalog project Connecticut History Online > (www.cthistoryonline.org) used jp2s for phase 2 of their project to > allow > both zooming in on large images (like maps and bird's-eye views), > and save > space on the server. (It is a collaborative project, so individual > institutions are responsible for their own archival images - here at > CHS we > archive in TIFF currently.) > > Not all of the images on the site are jp2s, just the 'oversize' > items, but > the ones that I have used and seen, work very well. > > Diane. > ========================================== > Diane Lee, Collections Manager ? 860-236-5621 x242 > Connecticut Historical Society > > -----Original Message----- > From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf > Of > Peter MacDonald > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 9:03 AM > To: Museum Computer Network Listserv > Subject: Re: [MCN-L] ye olde TIF vs. JPEG2000 debate > > You might want to read the following article where the authors decided > not to use JPEG2000 for their project for several reason. Here are > three > of them: > > 1. JPEG2000 does not preserve the TIFF technical metadata when > converted > to JPEG2000 > 2. JPEG2000 files are more inconvenient to OCR than TIFF > 3. JPEG2000 has no browser support yet > > From TIFF to JPEG 2000? (D-Lib Magazine, November/December 2009) > http://www.dlib.org/dlib/november09/kulovits/11kulovits.html > > Peter > > Michael Stocking wrote: >> I'd recommend taking a look at the Djatoka Image Server project >> coming out > of Los Alamos. It's designed to serve up JPEG2000s in a variety of > ways in > real-world scenarios: >> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/djatoka/index.php?title=Main_Page >> >> They presented at Open Repositories last year I think. >> M >> ========================= >> Michael Stocking >> Managing Director >> Armadillo Systems >> 300 Kensal Road >> London W10 5BE >> +44 (0)20 8960 8600 >> michael at armadillosystems.com >> www.armadillosystems.com >> www.turningthepages.com >> http://digitalcultureonline.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> >> >> On 10 Mar 2010, at 23:47, Perian Sully wrote: >> >> >>> Thanks everyone for your responses so far. >>> >>> I should clarify that what I'm looking at is not to replace the >>> NEFs to >>> JPEG2000, but the first-tier derivative TIFs. Mostly I'm considering >>> JPEG2000 as a space-saving measure, to have very large files >>> accessible >>> internally, or from which to create images for rights& reproduction >>> use. >>> >>> For the most part, our only "free range" images are the lower- >>> quality >>> JPGs that we publish in our online database. We don't have a zoomify >>> function or anything like that, so I publish these images in full. >>> >>> ~P >>> >>> Perian Sully >>> Collections Information Manager >>> Web Programs Strategist >>> The Magnes >>> Berkeley, CA >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On >>> Behalf Of >>> Chuck Patch >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 3:34 PM >>> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv >>> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] ye olde TIF vs. JPEG2000 debate >>> >>> Hi Perian, >>> >>> Before making a major commitment to JP2000, you might consider >>> converting >>> those NEF's to DNG, which remains (so far as I am aware - and I >>> expect >>> others to jump in momentarily) more widely implemented than JP2000. >>> There >>> are certainly more tools that can use it. As you go forward, you >>> need to >>> consider what your clients can use/want. >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Perian Sully<psully at magnes.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Howdy everyone: >>>> >>>> I'm in the midst of reprocessing all (!!) of our image assets from >>>> >>> .NEF >>> >>>> (a RAW format) and I'm wondering if I should take another look at >>>> JPEG2000 now. >>>> >>>> When I first started imaging the collection, JPEG2000 was in its >>>> >>> infancy >>> >>>> and not widely adopted. As a result, I have my master files in >>>> NEF and >>>> TIF, my high-quality derivatives in TIF, and my accessible and >>>> >>> web-ready >>> >>>> images in JPG. >>>> >>>> Part of this reprocessing will including making new copies of the >>>> high-quality derivatives as well as the accessible JPGs. So I'm >>>> wondering if I should replace the HQ derivative TIFs with >>>> JPEG2000 at >>>> this time. >>>> >>>> Anyone have any opinions, experiences or suggestions before I >>>> commit >>>> >>> to >>> >>>> this? >>>> >>>> ~Perian >>>> >>>> Perian Sully >>>> Collections Information Manager >>>> Web Programs Strategist >>>> The Magnes >>>> 2911 Russell St. >>>> Berkeley, CA 94705 >>>> Work: 510-549-6950 x 357 >>>> Fax: 510-849-3673 >>>> http://www.magnes.org >>>> http://www.musematic.org >>>> http://www.mediaandtechnology.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >>>> >>> Computer >>> >>>> Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >>>> >>>> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >>>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >>>> >>>> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >>>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chuck Patch >>> Museum Information Management Consulting >>> 403 Edgevale Rd >>> Baltimore MD 21210 >>> 410-366-3613 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >>> Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >>> >>> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >>> >>> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >>> >>> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum > Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >>> >>> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >>> >>> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >>> >>> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >> Computer > Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >> >> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >> >> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >> >> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ >> > > -- > Peter MacDonald > Library Information Systems Specialist > Hamilton College Library > pmacdona at hamilton.edu > 315-859-4493 > > _______________________________________________ > You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum > Computer > Network (http://www.mcn.edu) > > To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu > > To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: > http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l > > The MCN-L archives can be found at: > http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:22:54 -0500 > From: David Almeida <davida at thewolf.fiu.edu> > Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Medium format Digital cameras > To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu> > Message-ID: > <6BF9FE55B6F1E8439990518D38392AA210F263374F at thewolf.wolfson.fiu.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Travis, > I mentioned the Phase One 645AF as the camera body to use with the > P40+ or P45+ backs; Phase One has other cameras, but this is the one > we are looking at. I believe that this flexibility alone is an > advantage compared to the new Hasselblad HD systems. > We are in contact with some vendors; looking at these system and > even considering others. Naturally each vendor is praising their > products, and as first impression they all seem to be great; but an > initial test and impression, even being important, it's not more > valuable than a prolonged use of any of this cameras. The last is > the feedback we are trying to get. Thank you for your advice. > > David > > David Almeida > Digital Library Technician > > The Wolfsonian > FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL UNIVERSITY > > 1001 Washington Avenue > Miami Beach, Florida 33139 > t 305-535-2634 > f 305-53-52639 > davida at thewolf.fiu.edu > www.wolfsonian.org > > Join Us > Membership > > Support Us > Make a Gift > > Add Us > facebook > > Follow Us > twitter > > -----Original Message----- > From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf > Of Travis Fullerton > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 9:26 AM > To: Museum Computer Network Listserv > Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Medium format Digital cameras > > The H4D40 is a camera system. The back is not separate, and cannot > be put > onto a Phase One camera. And an H4 camera doesn't work with any > other back. > Hasselblad only makes the CF back that is compatible with other > cameras > (mostly intended for use with V-system) > > Also, Hasselblad no longer makes the H2 for digital use, you would > need to > find a used one to work with a P45+ back, or any other back. The > only H2 > still in production is the H2F. It is for film use and it is not > 'tight' > enough for use with a digital back. > > Again, I think you should talk to the vendors and/or manufacturers > and try > this stuff out first hand. You wouldn't buy a car without test > driving it > first and you are talking about the same amount of money, if not > much more. > There are lots of little bits and pieces you may need in addition to > the > camera and the back in order to make all of this work. > > -Travis > > > > > > > > > > On 3/10/10 6:38 PM, "Titus Bicknell" <titus at bicknell.com> wrote: > >> >> I would recommend the Hasselblad camera, either H2 or H4, but with >> the Phase >> One digital back since IMHO Hasselblad makes better cameras, Phase >> One better >> digital backs. >> >> We have had very good results with an H2 and a P45+. >> >> Yours >> >> Titus >> >> Titus Bicknell | @titusbicknell | +1.240.271.9735 >> titus at bicknell.com | http://www.titusbicknell.com >> 703 Dale Drive | Silver Spring | MD 20910 | USA >> >> On Mar 10, 2010, at 9:09 AM, David Almeida wrote: >> >>> Hi Titus, >>> >>> The camera to use with any of those backs it would be the Phase >>> One 645 AF. >>> >>> >>> David Almeida >>> Digital Library Technician >>> >>> The Wolfsonian >>> FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL UNIVERSITY >>> >>> 1001 Washington Avenue >>> Miami Beach, Florida 33139 >>> t 305-535-2634 >>> f 305-53-52639 >>> davida at thewolf.fiu.edu >>> www.wolfsonian.org >>> >>> Join Us >>> Membership >>> >>> Support Us >>> Make a Gift >>> >>> Add Us >>> facebook >>> >>> Follow Us >>> twitter >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On >>> Behalf Of Titus >>> Bicknell >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:18 PM >>> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv >>> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Medium format Digital cameras >>> >>> Dear David, >>> >>> you listed the Phase One P40+ and P45+ digital backs but not which >>> camera you >>> would be using them with? >>> >>> Titus Bicknell | @titusbicknell | +1.240.271.9735 >>> titus at bicknell.com | http://www.titusbicknell.com >>> 703 Dale Drive | Silver Spring | MD 20910 | USA >>> >>> On Mar 9, 2010, at 9:34 AM, David Almeida wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Colleagues, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The institution I work for is in the process of acquiring two >>>> Medium >>>> >>>> format digital cameras and we have been trying to get reviews on a >>>> >>>> couple of cameras. Does anyone have experience using this type of >>>> >>>> camera, specifically the "Phase One" and/or "Hasselblad"? We are >>>> looking >>>> >>>> into getting either the Phase One P40+, P45+ or the Hasselblad >>>> H4D-40. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It would be particularly helpful to know more about image >>>> quality, ease >>>> >>>> of use, durability, technical assistance, etc. Any feedback is >>>> welcome >>>> >>>> and would be appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> David Almeida<mailto:davida at thewolf.fiu.edu> >>>> Digital Library Technician<mailto:davida at thewolf.fiu.edu> >>>> >>>> The Wolfsonian<http://www.wolfsonian.org/> >>>> FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL UNIVERSITY<http://www.fiu.edu/> >>>> >>>> 1001 Washington Avenue >>>> Miami Beach, Florida 33139 >>>> t 305-535-2634 >>>> f 305-53-52639 >>>> davida at thewolf.fiu.edu<mailto:davida at thewolf.fiu.edu> >>>> www.wolfsonian.org<http://www.wolfsonian.org/> >>>> >>>> Join Us >>>> Membership<http://membership.wolfsonian.org/> >>>> >>>> Support Us >>>> Make a Gift<http://www.wolfsonian.org/donate.asp> >>>> >>>> Add Us >>>> facebook<http://www.facebook.com/pages/Miami-Beach-FL/The-Wolfsonian-Florida >>>> -International-University/61756001329> >>>> >>>> Follow Us >>>> twitter<http://twitter.com/wolfsonian> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >>>> Computer >>>> Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >>>> >>>> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >>>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >>>> >>>> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >>>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >>> Computer >>> Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >>> >>> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >>> >>> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >>> >>> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >>> Computer >>> Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >>> >>> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >>> >>> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >>> >>> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >>> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >> Computer >> Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >> >> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >> >> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >> >> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ > > _______________________________________________ > You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum > Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) > > To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu > > To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: > http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l > > The MCN-L archives can be found at: > http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:30:22 -0500 > From: MuseumPods <info at museumpods.com> > Subject: Re: [MCN-L] iPhone app discussion > To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu> > Message-ID: <4B991A9E.9000904 at museumpods.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I think the cost of getting an iPhone app developed really depends on > what you want it to do. Sure if you want a fancy app with all the > 'bells and whistles' you can easily spend 30k. However, if you're > like > most organizations and don't have that kind of cash, there are much > more > cost effective ways to get an iPhone app up and running by > developing an > app around existing social technologies. The kind of iPhone model > I am > promoting can utilize Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, blogs, RSS podcasts, > which all offer this functionality and there is no need for custom > coding or databases, subsequently reducing the barrier of entry for > museums to develop iPhone apps --this is what 'social media' is all > about. Here is a short YouTube video I made demonstrating this iPhone > model: http://bit.ly/9obYip > > I just think it's silly to spend a lot of money when it's not > neccessary > --just my opinion but save some money and ride the iPhone app craze > while it lasts. > > Thank you for all the input from everyone. > > Kurt Stuchell > http://museumpods.com > > Proctor, Nancy wrote: > >> I agree with Stephanie. Just yesterday I came across another >> company offering this model in which the app & CMS are free to the >> museum, and revenue is shared between the provider and museum on >> app or tour sales. That brings my count to 4 that I'm aware of for >> sure: >> >> >> 1. Toura >> 2. uGuideMe >> 3. MyToursApp >> 4. Artful from CultureLabel >> >> There are a couple more that seem willing to consider this model: >> >> >> * Spotlight Mobile >> * Tristan Interactive >> >> And then there are the opensource solutions already being developed >> and deployed, most notably by the Dallas Museum of Art and the IMA. >> You can check them out on the Museum Mobile wiki: >> http://wiki.MuseumMobile.info >> >> The important thing is to do your homework and be aware of what's >> available on the market already before dropping money to reinvent >> the wheel. It may be that your needs are so specific you do need a >> bespoke-build app, in which case $30k seems to be in the ballpark >> of going rates (I've heard quotes from $10-40k), and there are many >> accomplished app developers out there who can help you. >> >> Also consider opportunity cost: it does take someone's time to >> design the mobile experience, prepare assets and put them into an >> app, no matter how user-friendly the CMS is (and hopefully it's >> database driven to a large extent so it's possible to mass-import >> content as well, rather than assemble every tour by hand). >> >> Of course, the biggest expense of all is creating quality content >> that facilitates the experience your target audience needs. That's >> where I'd prioritize the investment, because without good content, >> it doesn't matter how technically slick your app is - the mobile >> experience will still fail. >> >> Nancy >> -- >> Nancy Proctor, PhD >> Head of New Media Initiatives >> Smithsonian American Art Museum >> MRC 970 PO Box 37012 >> Washington DC 20013-7012 >> USA >> >> t: +1-202-633-8439 >> c: +1-301-642-6257 >> f: +1-202-633-8455 >> >> http://www.americanart.si.edu >> http://eyelevel.si.edu/ >> >> On 3/9/10 3:00 PM, "mcn-l-request at mcn.edu" <mcn-l-request at mcn.edu> >> wrote: >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:31:07 -0800 >> From: Stephanie Weaver <sweaver at experienceology.com> >> Subject: [MCN-L] iPhone app discussion >> To: mcn-l at mcn.edu >> Message-ID: <B0BC3367-965C-4769-BB4A- >> DD4F7439FE8B at experienceology.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; >> format=flowed; delsp=yes >> >> Kurt, >> I go to many different conferences, and at each one in the last 18 >> months I have met 1-2 companies who are creating a platform for apps >> (some iPhone only, some smartphone). >> >> Nearly all of them are offering the platform for free, meaning: they >> are giving the museums access to their CMS platform, and the museums >> are supposed to create/upload the content from existing digital >> assets. >> >> They are all doing some kind of revenue share on the app sales. I >> don't know if/when this business model will be sustainable. I am also >> a bit skeptical that small to mid-size museums will have the staffing >> to find/format/create the content for the app. So, you could charge >> for that portion of the service. >> >> The ones I don't think will work are the guys who want $30K up front >> to create the app for the museum. Especially when folks like IMA are >> about to open source their platforms. >> >> I think there will always be a place in the liaison role where you >> can >> and should charge for your expertise. Maybe on a sliding scale. >> >> Hope this helps! >> >> Best, >> >> Stephanie Weaver >> Visitor experience consultant >> experienceology?: Because happy visitors return. >> San Diego, CA >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >> Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >> >> To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu >> >> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >> >> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >> http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:11:10 -0800 > From: David Lynx <david at yakimavalleymuseum.org> > Subject: Re: [MCN-L] iPhone app discussion > To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu> > Message-ID: <C7BE642E.100CE%david at yakimavalleymuseum.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > 1) The one issue that I am concerned about is having all my content > for our > iphone app be housed at another location. This makes you committed to > keeping the content with that provider. I would like to update and add > content so that it feeds from our website. > > 2) This same content should be able to be used on the website and be > used > for Android and general cell phone pages. > > 3) I am looking into open source type apps, and would be happy to > share/discuss with others. > > > --------------------------------------------- > David Lynx, Associate Director > Yakima Valley Museum > www.yakimavalleymuseum.org > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > mcn-l mailing list > mcn-l at mcn.edu > http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l > > > End of mcn-l Digest, Vol 55, Issue 4 > ************************************
