Just wanted to chime in here on the question of captioning. We use YT auto-captioning and then have humans correct it. YT auto-captioning alone is not acceptable at UC Berkeley, so we take the extra step. So far we have found no other more cost-effective method to get good captioning without breaking the bank. If anyone has a better method, please share.
-- Mary W. Elings Assistant Director and Head of Technical Services The Bancroft Library University of California On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 2:21 PM Susan Edwards <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Sina - You are correct! And I did not mean to imply that the transcripts > provided by YT are perfect. They are not at all. > However, UCLA's office of ADA compliance has told us that they are ok with > us providing captions in this way. There is definitely much work to be done > on this front - I'd will reach out to you separately about better ways! > > Susan > > On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 2:07 PM Sina Bahram <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Because Susan mentioned captions below, I just wanted to make one thing > > really clear. I don't mean to disagree, Susan, and it's not the main > topic > > of this thread, so apologies to the OP ahead of time, but it's critical > to > > understand that automatically generated captions are not sufficient for > > accessibility/inclusive design reasons. I don't think you were implying > > that they were since many places take the auto-generated captions, then > > edit them to be compliant/useful, but this question comes up a ton in our > > work. Happy to discuss under a separate thread/cover, but trying to not > > high-jack the thread here. > > > > Thanks > > > > Take care, > > Sina > > > > President, Prime Access Consulting, Inc. > > Phone: 919-345-3832 > > https://www.PAC.bz > > Twitter: @SinaBahram > > Personal Website: https://www.sinabahram.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mcn-l <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Susan Edwards > > Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 2:14 PM > > To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Video hosting question > > > > Hi Ellice - > > We have lots of videos on YouTube and are currently adding on the order > of > > 100 each year. We think of YT as another social media outlet, and it's an > > important distribution channel for us. > > Agree with Matt about the lack of control over the content that's > delivered > > at the end of the videos, but that has a lot to do with the user and > their > > own watching habits. Just like any other social media platform, this > needs > > to be managed, and you need to keep up with the changes - it requires > care > > and feeding. I think it's important that you have a social media person > or > > marketing/communications team that can manage this platform - that's got > to > > be part of the investment. > > > > YT isn't the only place our videos are hosted - this is not our archive. > > We also post a lot to Vimeo (mostly produced promotional videos), and all > > of our public programs documentation videos originate on the Livestream > > platform. Everything is archived on-site as well. We are about to embark > on > > a Mellon-funded project to create an online archive for our public > programs > > documentation videos, and we may move choose a different host for this, > but > > I don't think we will stop also posting to YT. > > > > Another important thing for us is the auto-captioning YT provides. As > part > > of UCLA, we are a government entity and have to comply with ADA > > requirements for accessibility. Without the captioning provided by YT for > > free, we would have to take on this expense and > > > > And yes, we have had videos blocked and taken down for copyright, AND our > > account was blocked from live broadcasting on YT for 3 months. It's all > > robots-managed and there is virtually nothing you can do about it - it's > > super frustrating. I have tried to appeal many ways, many times, to no > > avail! > > > > Hope this helps - happy to discuss more! > > Susan > > > > Susan Edwards > > Associate Director, Digital Content > > Hammer Museum > > 10899 Wilshire Bl > > Los Angeles, CA 90024 > > [email protected] > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 10:50 AM Matt Popke <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Ellice, > > > > > > We have a lot of video currently hosted on YouTube at the DAM. We're > > still > > > using it for some purpose, but we've recently been moving away from it > > for > > > some purposes, as well. > > > > > > Regarding copyright: I think the biggest risk of copyright issues on > > > youtube is that it has a very large audience and automated takedown > > systems > > > regularly scan the content there. It's just more likely that some > > automated > > > system will flag a video—any video—for takedown, often incorrectly. It > > > really depends on what you're putting up there. > > > > > > The reason we're moving away from youtube for much of our content has > > more > > > to do with YouTube's recommendation algorithm and the decreasing amount > > of > > > control we have over YouTube embeds in web pages. There is currently no > > way > > > to reliably turn off the grid of recommendations that appears in a > > youtube > > > video after it has finished playing. It used to be an API feature that > we > > > could decide to enable or disable depending on our use case, but lately > > the > > > grid just appears whether we like it or not. > > > > > > We have no control over what shows up in those recommendations, and a > > > significant amount of the content on YouTube is problematic in one way > or > > > another (extremism, racism, violence, etc.). We don't want to appear to > > the > > > unitiated user as though we are tacitly supporting or recommending > > whatever > > > YouTube's algorithm decides to show when our video is done playing. > > > > > > It's different for video that is viewed on YouTube's site. Users know > who > > > is running the show there. But increasingly, when embedding video > content > > > on web pages we are using Vimeo because we have more control over the > > > embeds. > > > > > > Also, as YouTube continues to pursue monetization strategies that > > > privilege ads and advertisers, we anticipate service changes that would > > be > > > at odds with our goals as an institution. It's easier to start moving > to > > a > > > different service now when we have time to adjust then to find > ourselves > > > moving to that service in a panicked rush after changes occur. The > > benefit > > > of paying for a video hosting service is you know what you are getting > > and > > > can be more assured that, aside from possible price increases, the > > service > > > isn't going to pull the rug out from under you without warning. > > > > > > Matt Popke > > > Developer > > > 720.913.0126 > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > On 10/14/19, 07:32, "mcn-l on behalf of Ellice Engdahl" < > > > [email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do > > > not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and > > > know the content is safe. > > > > > > > > > Hello, all, > > > > > > While we have plenty of "modern" video out on YouTube, we currently > > > host most our historic and collections-item videos (e.g. oral history > > video > > > clips) on a private streaming platform. We don't use much of the > > > functionality provided by the private platform, so the question has > come > > up > > > whether YouTube would meet our needs as a player. > > > > > > Some questions/potential concerns that have passed through my head: > > > > > > > > > 1. Are there potentially different copyright implications to > > > private hosting than to YouTube? What if we made the YouTube videos > > > unlisted so we were simply using it as a player? > > > 2. Has anyone had (or is/was concerned about having) historic > > video > > > challenged or taken down as in violation of YouTube's community > > standards? > > > > > > Can anyone weigh in on these? And are there other issues to > > > contemplate that I am missing? If the people at your institution who > > would > > > make such decisions are not on the MCN listserv, I'd love it if you'd > > pass > > > this along to them-I will take any and all input, on- or off-list. > > > > > > If you've chosen to use a private streaming service in addition to > or > > > instead of YouTube, I'd be interested to know what additional value you > > > think it brings. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > ................................................. > > > Gain Perspective. Get Inspired. 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