Mbak Omie dear, Frankly speaking I didn't think of incest when I wrote this article of mine, especially in the sentence, "to have sex with whom they are willing to do it" When people realize that incest will give them serious problems, (hopefully) they will not do it. [:)] Btw, serious problemnya apaan ya? they will get blind? they will be paralyzed afterwards? hahahaha ... I do agree with you that those who choose to have sex with animals had better be put in mental hospital, both men and women. hahahaha ...
Best of the best, Nana --- In [email protected], ati gustiati <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > UDA si urang awak, yg dimaksud women have rights to have sex with whom they are willing to do it saya rasa bukan berarti having sexual intercourse between those who are related by blood or marriage (incest) apalagi hewan piaraan...kalaupun ada yg lebih suka berintimasi dgn hewan its a more like a mental problem not a legal problem, gak pernah kan denger ada org masuk penjara karena masturbasi depan biawak nya? or bersenggama dgn kambingnya? mereka bukan masuk penjara tetapi physciatric hospital maybe (smile). > Saya bukan feminist, tetapi pendukung hak2 wanita utk memutuskan apa yg terbaik utk hidup dan tubuhnya, kalau aborsi itu yg terbaik, why not ? selama tidak merusak kesehatan nya, saya pikir feminist dan men sering gontok2an karena men gak suka disaingi apalagi oleh mahluk wanita...sebenarnya feminisme bukan utk menyerang kaum lelaki tetapi utk menuntut hak nya sebagai wanita dan sebagai manusia, menuntut persamaan hak dan itu tentunya sehat2 saja..kalaupun ada feminist yg blak2an benci pada lelaki itu personal issue tentunya, saya banyak teman feminist disini, sebagian okay2 saja dan bersikap normal tak beda dgn saya, ada juga yg bersikap sangat maskulin seperti ingin menyaingi lelaki hingga dalam pembentukan pisik nya..nah ini yg saya sebut "dike" well...ini an american slang tentunya, it started out spelled "dyke"wich separates it from the sea wall around Holland, its a very derogatory term for female homosexual or lesbian, saya disini salah satu member dari club Harley > Davidson (walau udah lama gak ride bike again karena teman baik saya Audy sering khawatir kalau saya nunggang motor bermesin kuat ini, hampir 50% temen2 biker saya adalah feminist...mereka hidupnya sangat bebas, tidak tergantung pada keputusan2 lelaki, mereka hidup dalam dunianya tanpa harus menganggu kaum lelaki atau org2 lain, and I really have no problem with that whatswhoever, kadang2 kami minum bir sama2 di cafe setelah ride bike seharian..kalau saya tanya " apakah kalian gak pernah tertarik sama cowo eh?" > mereka jawabnya selalu sama " hmm they re okay, just little assholes, thats all" > hahahahahahahhaaaa.... > > salam > omie > > Deddy Mansyur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Mbak Nana, > > Not sure about this one: > They are free to do anything they want to do with their bodies; namely to choose what clothes to wear to cover their bodies, to have sex with whom they are willing to do it, to be pregnant with their sex partner(s) that they want, until to get abortion when they don't want the fetus to grow up. And not to forget with the advanced technology that can make a woman pregnant without having sex with a man, or without sperm produced by a man. > > I don't think women can have sex with their fathers or their sons or their dogs. > I've been around for a while, know what I mean. Some of my female karate students at the University of Houston are feminists. They love to argue with men but not with this UDA urang awak, know what I mean. > > I think being a feminist is just fine with me. But when feminists try to attack men because they are just upset with men that men control the world, we need to talk peacefully. > > Mbak Nana, whatever it is - I love you baby. > > salam, > sensei deddy mansyur > university of houston > www.uh.edu/shotokan > www.houstonshotokan.com > > PS: sometimes it is tough being young - alhamdulillah I got to 50 something, I am healthy and I am still alive with a wife, 3 boys, 1 dog, 4 cats, 1 bird and 100 karate students. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nana P > To: Perempuan ; Rumahkitabersama > Cc: Sastra ; apakabar ; Mediacare ; Zamanku ; PPI India ; FIKI ; FPK Kompas > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:56 AM > Subject: [mediacare] Abortion > > > http://afeministblog.blogspot.com/2007/05/abortion.html > > There is a very interesting article I found in one mailing list I join. It is about the legal abortion law in Tunisia, one country whose population is 99% Muslim. You can find it at http://dedepermana.blogspot.com (the article is in Bahasa). > As a feminist who believes that women must control their bodies by themselves, and not other peoplesuch as their parents, husbands, boyfriends, or the country where they liveof course I do agree that option to have abortion is exclusively in a woman's hand. Womenespecially those who are more than seventeen years old so that they can be considered as mature enough to make big decisions for their own lifemust really control their own bodies. They are free to do anything they want to do with their bodies; namely to choose what clothes to wear to cover their bodies, to have sex with whom they are willing to do it, to be pregnant with their sex partner(s) that they want, until to get abortion when they don't want the fetus to grow up. And not to forget with the advanced technology that can make a woman pregnant without having sex with a man, or without sperm produced by a man. > Some advantages from practicing abortion legally in my opinion (there must be a strict regulation though; that is to do the abortion before the pregnancy reaches three months old) > 1. There will not be any baby born without being needed and wanted by the mother, so that it will create a very good emotional bond between the mother and the baby. I assume that many babies are born from a mother who is not mentally and psychologically ready so that it can cause the mother to neglect the baby. Feeling neglected by the mother will create psychologically troublesome kid. > 2. There will not be any new-born baby disposed in a garbage can, for example. It often happens in Indonesia because many women who get pregnant accidentally are not ready to get their babies, but they cannot get professional treatment for abortion. To avoid shame to deliver baby out of wedlock, many women dispose their babies. > 3. All babies will be born in a ready family so that they will be raised well; mentally, psychologically, socially, and financially. They can get good education to pursue their future. This will result in a good future for the country as well. > 4. No woman will die uselessly because she has to face unprofessional, unhygienic and careless abortion. > 5. It helps succeed the government's program to control birth (the government's family planning program). When the government succeeds to decrease the birth rate, the government will be able to give their best service to the citizens because they do not need much and much money for the citizens' welfare (to provide good facilities for education, health, food and drink, transportation, etc). > To end this short article, I want to quote what Germaine Greer stated in her book THE WHOLE WOMAN: > What women `won' was the `right' to undergo invasive procedures in order to terminate unwanted pregnancies, unwanted not just by them but by their parents, their sexual partners, the governments who would not support mothers, the employers who would not employ mothers, the landlords who would not accept tenants with children, the schools that would not accepts students with children. (p. 86) > PT56 12.20 110507 > > > For the world, you are just someone; for someone, you can be his/her world > > visit my blogs please, at the following sites > http://afemaleguest.blog.co.uk > http://afeministblog.blogspot.com > http://afemaleguest.multiply.com > > THANK YOU > Best regards, > Nana > > > --------------------------------- > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. > > > --------------------------------- > Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. >
