Thanks Yaron I totally agree with you and do not wish this to escalate. Spamming the list is not good, however, the use of the list to make a one-off announcement of help/support services of two well known contributors to the community should not be associated as spam in any way. Not only do I agree the post fits within the "spirit of the law", I will add these two gentlemen enhance the "MediaWiki contributor spirit" by their interactions with others in the MediaWiki community.
Karsten, one of the hardest working, MediaWiki promoting, helpful contributors to be found in the MediaWiki Community. He does more in a week than most do in a year editing pages on mediawiki.org and answering the talk page posts on Skins and Extensions. He has setup mail lists for developers on Wikimedia Foundation's lists and provides MediaWiki hosting to MediaWiki projects, eg. Skin demos to maintaining the site for the Widgets extension. Jereon, Semantic MediaWiki developer, developer of lots of other highly useful and used extensions, need I say more? Tom -----Original Message----- From: MediaWiki-l <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Yaron Koren Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 7:55 PM To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] Introducing: Professional.Wiki Hi, At the risk of starting an unnecessary argument, let me say that I think this kind of email is fine. Paid support is a form of help/support, so even though the mailing list description doesn't specifically list consulting as one of the allowed topics, it seems to me that it fits within the "spirit of the law", if not the letter ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_and_spirit_of_the_law). Of course, spamming the list is never a good idea, but a single email sent to announce a new consulting company seems fine - and, of course, potentially useful to people looking for help. (Full disclosure: I too am a consultant. And I know Jeroen and Karsten.) -Yaron On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 4:41 PM Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: > This seems to me to be an advertisement for commercial services that > was sent to a mailing list that is operated by a nonprofit and is > intended for MediaWiki system administrators. The description if the > mailing list is "This is a multilingual list for help/support with > running/configuring MediaWiki. It is intended for people who are > running wikis with the MediaWiki software and for announcements of new > versions, bug fixes, and security issues." It seems to me that > advertising commercial services here is well outside of the intended > purposes of this list, and is a misuse of Wikimedia Foundation resources. > > Pine > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) > > > > > On Wed, May 8, 2019, 13:07 Professional.Wiki <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > We are happy to announce the launch of our new wiki company: > > Professional.Wiki <https://professional.wiki/>. > > > > > > Professional.Wiki's mission is to provide customer-focused wiki > > services that are both holistic and of high quality. Because of our > > strong involvement in the MediaWiki and Semantic MediaWiki worlds > > over the last ten years, we can provide a unique set of professional > > services to companies that have a wiki or want to use one. > > > > > > Our services <https://professional.wiki/en/services>cover all your > > wiki needs, including wiki hosting > > <https://professional.wiki/en/hosting>, > > wiki setup and creation, wiki management, training, advice, > > professional support and custom development. > > > > > > To celebrate our launch we provide a limited time discount on our > > hosting plans. Contact us > > <https://professional.wiki/en/contact>before > > May 20th, 2019 to get a 20% discount on one of our hosting plans. > > All our hosting plans <https://professional.wiki/en/hosting>include > > free professional support and Semantic MediaWiki. > > > > > > Subscribe to our mailing list > > <http://professional.wiki/en/newsletter>to > > receive tips and tricks, wiki news and exclusive promotions. Please > > also follow us on Twitter <https://twitter.com/ProWikiExperts>. > > > > > > We will remain involved in the community, contributing to the > > software, documentation and discourse. Indeed, we hope to introduce > > more companies to the wonders of wikis and thus strengthen both the > > community and software. > > > > > > For more information, please visit our website Professional.Wiki > > <http://professional.wiki/>or contact us > > <https://professional.wiki/en/contact>. > > > > > > Karsten and Jeroen > > > > > > -- > > > > Professional.Wiki – Jeroen De Dauw & Karsten Hoffmeyer GbR > > > > Tieckstraße 24-25, 10115 Berlin > > > > +49 (30) 55 87 42 65 > > > > [email protected] > > > > https://professional.wiki/ > > > > USt-IdNr. 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