> ----- Original message ----- > From: "Auke Kok" <[email protected]> > To: "Dave Neary" <[email protected]>, "Development for the MeeGo Project" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MeeGo-dev] Academic Survey for MeeGo Community Contributors > Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:57:58 -0800 > > > > [I posted this to Dave privately too but I think everyone should read > it to understand why I objected in the first place to the original > post. please read the entire reply below, thanks.] > > > On 11/30/10 02:57, Dave Neary wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Auke Kok wrote: > >> On 11/22/10 23:18, Jarkko Moilanen wrote: > >>> Note! This message is NOT directly about MeeGo platform or MeeGo app > >>> development. > > <snip> > > > >> Did you get express permission from the MeeGo community council (Dawn, > >> Quim, etc?) to post this to this list? > > > > Do people need permission to post here now? Have I broken a rule because > > I didn't ask? > > > >> Since you clearly state your survey is "Academic", I assume it directly > >> benefits you as a person, providing you with research data. As such, > >> this invitation is a direct violation of list policies, and as such not > >> allowed use of this or any MeeGo mailinglist unless expressly approved. > > > > Can you point to the policy you're referring to, please? > > > > I treated this as an email I wasn't interested in, and deleted it. I'm > > sure others on the list did the same thing, or perhaps they clicked on > > the link& decided it wasn't worth their time. You could have done the same. > > > > Was there some particular reason you felt that this needed to be stamped > > out in such a forceful manner? > > Yes. > > I've been involved in several open source projects for over 10 years > now, and have time after time seen "academic surveys" come on over > without realistically contributing back to that particular community. > > I've even been fell for the "may help open source" trap once by > participating in a survey that ended up being funded by Microsoft > which ended up being used against open source in a rather unsettling > way. Needless to say, that was 90 minutes of my life I'd rather have > back and not spent on the phone with a professor from Harvard or Yale. > > In the end, I don't have a problem with specific surveys that intent > to help the community that they're surveying directly, but it's up to > the community council members to -screen- the request for a survey > first before it is posted. If we don't set a reasonably low bar > first, we'll end up with daily surveys on this list, and from there > on things will get worse, fast. Once advertisers and recruiters find > out we have a lax policy and thousands of readers, we've already lost. > > So, can people who want to do a survey please just "ask first" ? >
As in many debates between passionate and professional people both sides in this one have valid points. That said, while I respect Auke and his experience very much I also disagree with the tone of the first response as well as his request (sorry Auke). I only see one problem with the original email: that it could have been a bit clearer on benefits to the community, exactly how the collected data would be used, etc.� Personally if more detail had been included at the start I see no need for a preliminary "hey can we post this survey to the list?" query.� Informed people can choose to accept or ignore based on a single email. Does that work as a reasonable compromise, or do I need to revisit both Diplomacy 101 and Logic 101? ;) Randall (Randy) Arnold Forum Nokia Champion blog: http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com cell: +18177396806 irc: Texrat @ irc.freenode.net twitter: http://twitter.com/texrat linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/tabletman -------------------------------------------------------------- Ovi Mail: Making email access easy http://mail.ovi.com
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