Quoting Randall Arnold <[email protected]>:
----- Original message ----- From: "Auke Kok?" <[email protected]> To: "Dave Neary?" <[email protected]>, "Development for the MeeGoProject?" <[email protected]>Subject: Re: [MeeGo-dev] Academic Survey for MeeGo CommunityContributorsDate: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:57:58 -0800[I posted this to Dave privately too but I think everyone should read it to understand why I objected in the first place to the original post. please read the entire reply below, thanks.] On 11/30/10 02:57, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi, > > Auke Kok wrote: >> On 11/22/10 23:18, Jarkko Moilanen wrote: >>> Note! This message is NOT directly about MeeGo platform or MeeGoapp>>> development. > <snip> > >> Did you get express permission from the MeeGo community council(Dawn,>> Quim, etc?) to post this to this list? > > Do people need permission to post here now? Have I broken a rulebecause> I didn't ask? > >> Since you clearly state your survey is "Academic", I assume itdirectly>> benefits you as a person, providing you with research data. As such, >> this invitation is a direct violation of list policies, and as suchnot>> allowed use of this or any MeeGo mailinglist unless expresslyapproved.> > Can you point to the policy you're referring to, please? > > I treated this as an email I wasn't interested in, and deleted it.I'm> sure others on the list did the same thing, or perhaps they clickedon> the link& decided it wasn't worth their time. You could have done thesame.> > Was there some particular reason you felt that this needed to bestamped> out in such a forceful manner? Yes. I've been involved in several open source projects for over 10 years now, and have time after time seen "academic surveys" come on over without realistically contributing back to that particular community. I've even been fell for the "may help open source" trap once by participating in a survey that ended up being funded by Microsoft which ended up being used against open source in a rather unsettling way. Needless to say, that was 90 minutes of my life I'd rather have back and not spent on the phone with a professor from Harvard or Yale. In the end, I don't have a problem with specific surveys that intent to help the community that they're surveying directly, but it's up to the community council members to -screen- the request for a survey first before it is posted. If we don't set a reasonably low bar first, we'll end up with daily surveys on this list, and from there on things will get worse, fast. Once advertisers and recruiters find out we have a lax policy and thousands of readers, we've already lost. So, can people who want to do a survey please just "ask first" ?As in many debates between passionate and professional people both sides in this one have valid points. That said, while I respect Auke and his experience very much I also disagree with the tone of the first response as well as his request (sorry Auke). I only see one problem with the original email: that it could have been a bit clearer on benefits to the community, exactly how the collected data would be used, etc.? Personally if more detail had been included at the start I see no need for a preliminary "hey can we post this survey to the list?" query.? Informed people can choose to accept or ignore based on a single email. Does that work as a reasonable compromise, or do I need to revisit both Diplomacy 101 and Logic 101?
Fine by me. As I said in my first reply, I will try to be more careful in the future :) It is true, that I forgot to iterate the possible benefits and also the fact that access to raw data from the survey will be given to the community.
Jarkko
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