You have fine-grained control but are not obliged to use it (you can vote
very simply if you like), which is an excellent solution I think!

Lack of types are the cause of most of my python issues too. Maybe we need
types that you don't HAVE to declare if you don't want :)


On 4 September 2013 11:22, Grace Roberts <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Nice recovery to get back to a python topic!   I was almost tempted to
> start venting about the election.  :-)
>
> PS.  Thanks Benno.
>
>
> On 04/09/2013, at 10:04 AM, Javier Candeira <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 9:37 AM, dan <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Slightly off topic but don't worry you're not the only one who finds it
> >> daunting:
> >>
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-29/preference-deals-could-benefit-micro-parties-at/4920822
> >>
> >> It's obviously broken and needs to be fixed but awesome that there's a
> tool
> >> to help work around it in the interim.
> >
> > Trying to keep the offtopic on-topic, there is an interesting
> > parallell between the cognitve loads associated with preferential
> > voting and the type of direct democracy practiced in California (where
> > they have many ballots at each election for  with particular laws or
> > "initiative") and the micromanaging of types, access modifiers etc. in
> > enterprisey languages such as Java.
> >
> > There are tradeoffs everywhere. More control means more mental load.
> > Lower mental load means less control. Coming from a country where
> > Parliament is picked by closed lists, I appreciate the added control
> > of preference ranking for Parliament here. But it certainly adds a
> > mental toll.
> >
> > Coming from a language like Python 2, some people appreciate type
> > annotations in Python 3, so they don't have to perform guards in their
> > code at runtime.
> >
> > At Monash we're already running our first semester of Data Structures
> > and Algorithms using Python instead of Java. I'm now translating
> > sample code for students's pracs, and I find myself having to decide
> > at every point whether to let some type errors (like comparisons of
> > uncomparables types) pass to be caught by the Python runtime, or to
> > catch them and do something myself. All of those are errors that would
> > be caught by the Java compiler.
> >
> > It's interesting to see the student forums, because most of the errors
> > the students get stuck at are type errors (looking at a Node object
> > instead of extracting the item, assigning a variable from a function
> > that returns None), and all of those would have been previously caught
> > by their IDE. Now they have do debug on the run, and use their brain
> > instead of leveraging better tools.
> >
> > Tradeoffs.
> >
> > J
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