Hydrogen has a lower energy density than petrol, its danger comes from its
ability to mix rapidly with oxygen. Last I read the difficulty was storage with
in the car in a form that allows for high enough energy density (by weight and
by volume). Pursuits were being made in hydrogen absorption by some metallic
powders that allowed slow release as pressure drops (no fast escape so no big
bang if it ignites). I think BMW had a hydrogen powered vehicle with a range of
300km(few years ago now). Hydrogen is generated simply from water by passing
electric current through it. I think Oxygen forms on the positive electrode and
hydrogen on the negative, at least that is what I would assume (keeping in mind
my last chemistry class was in 1995). As for technology patents being bought by
petrol companies, patents have a limited life span after which time they lapse
and anyone can produce the technology. Changes will eventually occur when oil
becomes to valuable/expensive to just burn. Problem with hydrogen still comes
down to economic viability of hydrogen production, I can't see it happening
until cheap high efficiency solar cells are available or maybe some new catalyst
technology.

As for fuel cell technology, how heavy is your alternator? How powerful is it
60A*14V=840W not a lot huh. I over saw the installation of some 132kw electric
motors, they are quite large and I would suggest would affect handling
significantly! On the plus side advances in power electronics and inverter
schemes make cheap induction motors very flexible. Still they would have to make
them significantly lighter/smaller.

Luke Clough - almost graduated electrical eng.

Brad HALLETT wrote:

> Lets not forget though that the Hindenburg had a rather embarassing moment
> caused by Hydrogen.  Extremely volatile gas and I would hate to be using it
> for anything.  I have made a Hydrogen generator in the lab and witnessed its
> effect.  Worse than my missus after a big night on Crown Lager and Cocktail
> Onions.
>
> OH SHIT HERE SHE COMES QUICK HIDE ME.........
>
> Regards
> Brad HALLETT
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of jamesf
> Sent: Friday, 3 November 2000 10:53
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: performance gas!
>
> Not as long as there are Big Oil/fuel companies around...
>
> I read (back in the 80's) about a guy that invented a system to
> run your car on the Hydrogen from water... but one of the petrol
> companies bought out the patents and have never released it.
>
> My grandfather use to distribute a device called the Electro Lube Refiner
> Sold hundreds of them to the trucking companies and the sugar mills
> all around QLD..... This thing Actually cleans (while you drive) your oil
> of all contaminates and water and makes it so that you NEVER have to
> change your oil (just have to top up to replace oil burnt in the motor etc)
> It's for real and it works.... Have got the evidence from hundreds of
> transport companies etc... (unlike some of the copies like the Frans Filter
> which didn't have a heated dispersion plate to remove water and used
> Toilet Paper rolls for the filter which  removed all the additives from the
> oil as well... not a good thing)
> But when it came time to try and get it into passenger cars and the petrol
> companies found out they put a stop to it all... Imagine what it would do to
> their profits if no one ever had to change their oil.... Without the support
> from the oil companies he had no chance of getting Holden or Ford to put
> the thing into their cars at factory level ....
>
> Cya
> JamesF
>
> Craig Overend wrote:
>
> > My ultimate
> > performance fuel source is Hydrogen obtained from water, H20, there are
> > quite a few people that claim to have worked it out. It'd cost you
> > nothing to fill your car up with high octane fuel! I see it as just a
> > matter of time.
> >
> > Craig.
> >
>
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